OT: Manning arm strength not returning, career in doubt because of it - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

***NEGoldenAge*** · 01-31-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotsdynasty12189

I used to hate Manning, now the hate is more towards his little brother. Peyton earned my respect throughout the years and the Brady Manning rivalry will always stand as one of the bests. Surely one of the greats.

He is the yang of Brady.

dogdoctor · 01-31-2012, 04:38 PM

This would be terrible news for the NFL. But lets face it, it would not be completely unexpected given the type of injury. There was rumors the injury was career ending at the start of the 2011 season. I just can't see how he could possibly risk paralysis just for the sake of playing football. I suspected he would retire once I heard the surgery that was needed. If it is true I will have missed the opportunity to see one of the greatest QB matchups live. But players get old, get injured, and need to move on so that we may have new matchups. Just look at our Brady. The end of Bledsoe was his start. I hope for the Colt's sake Luck can fill some big shoes.

Blizzzard · 01-31-2012, 05:13 PM

In all honesty...

It is sad that he might go out this way. Never want to see someones life and/or career stunted by physical impairments.

But in truth, I am not sorry that we won't have to face him. High level competition is one thing, but as a fan, I want my team to win Superbowls regardless of the competition. if this means wishing for weaker competition.. then so be it.

one thing stands out in my mind;
Without Manning... the Pats have 1 more Lombardi residing at "1 Patriot Place"

No Manning, means the Pats likely reach Superbowl 41.. and likely win it.

Of course... Probably get the same outcome that week if there is no flu virus doing rounds in the Pats locker room, on a level that would make Bibi Jones jealous

pwcoach · 01-31-2012, 08:30 PM

My question of course is:

Will the last person to use Peyton Mannings locker before it is another Colts locker, be Tom Brady?

patstd · 01-31-2012, 09:48 PM

It a rough game and it takes its toll. Sorry to see him go. I wonder if he would make a great coach?

***patchick*** · 01-31-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretch

I think if a player is injured the player needs to pass a physical before he can be released. If the player doesn't pass the team and the player must reach agreement on an injury settlement.

If I am right Manning will get a significant settlement from the Colts if released.

I think this is a misreading of injury settlements (though I admit my own understanding is a little murky).

An injury settlement is generally used during the season. The player is "waived injured," and would have to be placed on IR at full salary unless the reduced settlement is agreed upon. By agreeing to a settlement, the player pockets cash and has the chance to sign on with another team -- or even the same team again -- once healthy. So players agree to the settlement to improve their chances of continuing a football career, and teams like the settlement because it saves them some $$.

In this case, Payton has already spent his season on IR at full salary for an injury sustained prior to the season. I believe they should be able to cut him freely.

Regardless, though, there is a cap on injury settlements that's a relative pittance for a player like Manning (< $500K).

memento · 01-31-2012, 10:04 PM

Shameful news. Arm strength seems to be one of the last things to go in a quarterback. Favre was still able to sling a fastball at the end of his career. Warner could still sling it. Marino might even throw with some velocity still. It's usually the mobility and the physical strain on the body that makes quarterbacks retire.

If true, Manning is being robbed of some valuable football years by serious injury instead of age.

Mountain_Commando · 01-31-2012, 11:51 PM

Peyton in a new ad:

Papa John's Super Bowl Coin Toss Experience starring Peyton Manning and Jerome Bettis - YouTube

Gotta give the guy props for being able to laugh at himself, despite an obviously difficult situation for him.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 02-01-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

I think this is a misreading of injury settlements (though I admit my own understanding is a little murky).

An injury settlement is generally used during the season. The player is "waived injured," and would have to be placed on IR at full salary unless the reduced settlement is agreed upon. By agreeing to a settlement, the player pockets cash and has the chance to sign on with another team -- or even the same team again -- once healthy. So players agree to the settlement to improve their chances of continuing a football career, and teams like the settlement because it saves them some $$.

In this case, Payton has already spent his season on IR at full salary for an injury sustained prior to the season. I believe they should be able to cut him freely.

Regardless, though, there is a cap on injury settlements that's a relative pittance for a player like Manning (< $500K).

I thought the rules specifically prohibited a player waived from IR from re-signing with the team that put him on IR, but I could be wrong.

In any case, I imagine that such a player would still be subject to the waiver wire (which would prevent, say, a playoff team from releasing a player IRed during TC so that they could resign him and activate him for the playoffs).

WhiZa · 02-01-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gronkandez

He doesn't get the money if they release him.

I'm wondering if there will be any type of retirement announcement during Superbowl weekend so he gets a proper send off from the home crowd and national audience.

Would he really take the spotlight from his younger brother on the eve of building his HoF resume?