Gronkandez

Speaking of Bradshaw...

Harbaugh: Bradshaw non-fumble like tuck rule - CBSSports.com

In all seriousness, Eli has a great matchup against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL (depends on what measurement you prefer, yards or points.) If Eli throws for 350 and 2TDs and wins he'll surpass Peyton, Rodgers and Brees with two SB rings. His name will be changed to ELI-te.You must be giddy. (well unless Eli pukes on himself like his brother, figuratively, or McNabb, literally)

DonBlackmon55

Tom - 6 AFCCG's, 5 SB appearances, 3SB wins. NFL record holder of 50 TD passes in 1 season

Elisha - 2 NFCCG's, 2 SB appeanrances, 1SB win (you want to talk lucky...then ok win with a desparation helmet catch)

Now I understand the schooling in NY is trash, but I would think a grown NYGiantworld clown can do the math up there who is ELITE

Talk to me When Elisha has appeared in 5SB's in 11 years or even equaled winning 3 SB todate !

Thank you and have a wonderful day, ignorant bafoon

Giantsworld

And the forced fumble by Jaquian Williams to set up the game winning FG wasnt??? Cant have it both ways Pats fans.

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MoLewisrocks

Which just underscores who the GOAT is... Rogers has a shot to compete, but like Eli he got off to a slow start (although much of that wasn't of his doing) and has now become one and done. Brady was a HOF lock 4 years into his career. Nobody wins 'em all but Brady rebounded pretty damn close to doing that 7 years in. Now a decade in counting one missed season due to catestrophic injury, he has rebounded on a team in transition to the tune of a unanimous league MVP season followed up by a 5th friggin' superbowl appearance in a decade...

Media lives to hype. Lots of QB's are elite one year and crap the next. That's because they aren't actually, you know, elite. Elite is about a number of things including winning, statistical performance, and the most overlooked accomplishment of all...consistency.

Eli is like the Forrest Gump of QB's, the proverbial box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get until a season is in the books. He can both drag an otherwise poised for dominance team down or inexplicable carry a struggling team on his back. Ergo the truth about who he is lies somewhere in between. As does Romo. Coming out of college he was actually hyped as the better Manning QB. Only even after their daddy picked the spot where he believed he would be best positioned to succeed, as opposed to Peyton who was asked to engineer a total turnaround - Eli floundered while Peyton basically led a one man band who while they may not have won it all dominated on the way to being perennial conference contenders.

Eli is improving as he enters his 30's - he almost had to and if he hadn't he'd have been jettisoned along his HC but for that ring in hand, and his remaining shortcomings are less noticable down the stretch because he kept them in striking distance in the NFCE (which is becoming akin to competing in the AFCW) and the Giants managed to rally as a team heading into the playoffs. Again, a lot like Forrest Gump's story... Hey, not the guy you'd have picked to succceed based on lifelong observation, but one you might decide to bet on going forward simply given the alternatives and where they have landed and where he is now heading. He's gone farther than expected while clearly elite performers went home emptyhanded. Typically shortsighted what have you done lately media's immediate kneejerk inclination is to reassess or reconfigure the definition of elite.

Carson Palmer, Marc Bulger, Kurt Warner, Romo, Sanchez...there is just a littany of QB's and for that matter players in this league who are elite, bums, jags, elite, clutch, chokers, at one point if not off and on over the course of their careers based on both erratic performance and media spin. Eli is just the lastest and it remains to be seen who and what he ultimately is. My guess would be he remains near the top of that maddening heap, right behind Roethlisberger and just ahead of Flacco and the rest of the wannabes.

Gronkandez

The missed FG was lucky, it would have tied the game. It was no more lucky than the ball-off-the-knee play or the premature whistle play though.

PS. Giants fans Hate their Coach. Sure you're all backtracking now but you guys were dying to have that guy fired. Smarten up.

scott99

I haven't read through this whole thread, because honestly, from what I've read, most of it is silly. To say that Eli Manning is not elite, is a complete joke. What he did in 2007, and the 2008 SB proved he was an elite player. What he did that year, in the playoffs, on the road, against, at that time, better teams and QBs (Dallas & Romo won the division, Favre and the Packers had the best record in the NFC and Favre finsihed 2nd in the MVP I believe, and then Brady and the Pats....) was possibly one of the greatest playoff accomplishments I've ever seen, unfortunately coming against my favorte team in the SB.

This year, he is just a stone cold killer, especially in the 4th quarter. And to take that beating he took against the 49er's and and still be able to win, amazing. I hate the Giants and pray the Pats crush them. But to say Eli Manning is not elite, is just complete ignorance and homerism. He's proven himself on the biggest stage, he's come up big time and time again. And I hate it, I hate the Mannings. What he's done this year may even be more astounding, especially if he finishes off on top (God forbid).

MoLewisrocks

That's in 10 years as a starter vs. Eli is already at 8 so it's not going to happen...

DonBlackmon55

Mo

Yes, 11 total of which 1 full prime season, 2008, was lost for Brady due to illegal hit is that ****bag Pollard. So, 10 is accurate.

Who knows, he could've been on a mission that year after the bitter taste of defeat, and team was quite strong to compete from another title considering with Casell we won 11 games.

So, yes, good point, Brady has had only 10 full played seasons.

Fball

I don't think anyone is really arguing that Eli is as good as TB or will ever be, or that he'll be ranked near or higher than TB when all is said & done. But I might have missed a post or 2.

PatsFanSince74

Sure. Easily.

In 2007, he led his team to three consecutive road playoff wins and then went into the Super Bowl a 14 point dog and beat a team and a QB that would have been called the GOATs had they won that game.

People dismissed him as a one time wonder, until this season he led his team back to the SB with five consecutive "win or die" victories against the Jets, Cowboys, Packers and 49ers, the last two of which were also on the road.

He's played the Pats three times since 2007 and come out ahead by one game against arguably the best team of this decade and certainly the best team of the preceding decade.

He's tough like his brother isn't and he's never blamed a loss on a "protection problem" by his line. He's a stand up guy who consistently earns the respect of those who meet him and know him.

To paraphrase the old saying, "I wouldn't kick him out of my locker room."

That said. Is he as good as Brady? No, he doesn't deserve that to be said of him at this point.

But if he gets his second ring and goes up 3--1 in head to head matchups, you probably shouldn't access the media online, on TV or in the papers very much for a few weeks. We can yell all we want about five SB trips in 11 seasons, but people will say that Eli deserves to be considered in the same league.

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