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Re: Are the 2012 Pats better than the 2001 SB winning team?
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Originally Posted by TheComeback
The OP wouldn't have made this thread if he wanted to include postseason success in the discussion. He's talking about regular season performance.
He did not say anything about that. It is also silly to talk about which team is better without including postseason.
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Re: Are the 2012 Pats better than the 2001 SB winning team?
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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
Not sure how you define a team that didn't reach its objective (SB Champ) as better than one that did. Better at what?
Its like saying the guy who finished second in the race is the better runner because he ran part of the race faster.
I would rank them, leaving 2011 out, because the story isn't done
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Re: Are the 2012 Pats better than the 2001 SB winning team?
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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
The reason you play is to win. I don't know what constitutes 'better' if you don't win.
There is luck involved in football, and that's all there is to it. Beyond the obvious instances of it (balls bouncing certain ways, etc), the fact that a team played its best "when it matters most" doesn't mean that the same team would be able to do it again. In football, the playoffs aren't composed of 7 game series. You get one chance. If you lose, tough luck. And, as it turns out, the better team doesn't always win.
Easiest analogy is poker. Obviously, the better player doesn't always win, even if he plays perfectly. Yes, the goal is to win, but one game, or even several games (say three, like the playoffs), isn't enough to conclusively say who the best is, especially if all of the players/teams are good, as they are in the NFL playoffs, and especially if the games were close.
Re: Are the 2012 Pats better than the 2001 SB winning team?
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Originally Posted by NSPF
There is luck involved in football, and that's all there is to it. Beyond the obvious instances of it (balls bouncing certain ways, etc), the fact that a team played its best "when it matters most" doesn't mean that the same team would be able to do it again.
Playing best when it matters most is one of the most important aspects of being the best.
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In football, the playoffs aren't composed of 7 game series. You get one chance. If you lose, tough luck. And, as it turns out, the better team doesn't always win.
Those are the rules, and therefore those that succeed within the rules are the best.
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Easiest analogy is poker. Obviously, the better player doesn't always win, even if he plays perfectly. Yes, the goal is to win, but one game, or even several games (say three, like the playoffs), isn't enough to conclusively say who the best is, especially if all of the players/teams are good, as they are in the NFL playoffs, and especially if the games were close.
That is a terrible analogy.
The goal of 32 teams is to win the SB. Not to be considered the best team and having excuses for not achieving the goal.
The goal is to win the SB so the team that is best at winning the SB is the best team. I don't know how you can take anything but achievement and place it higher than achievement.
The differnce is 03 vs 04 and 05 vs 10.
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03 vs 04: 03 beat the toughest schedule in NFL history. IIRC they beat 10 10+ win teams. I also factor in beating the coMVPs back to back the playoffs.
I put 10 ahead of 05 for 14-2 vs 10-6. I assume your reasoning is a playoff win in 05, but it was a wc round win that the 10 team didn't get/need because it earned a bye. The divsional round losses were very similar.
Hard to put 05 ahead for winning in a round 10 got a bye in.
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