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Old 11-07-2011, 01:36 PM   #1
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The oline play are the ones i think are getting not enough scrutiny.
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If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.
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If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.
The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.
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The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.
If you again, you see that it is not necessarily true. I would have say that they are Brady's prefered player coverage sacks. Look for Welker, Branch and then Gronk. The rest are just decoys really.
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If you again, you see that it is not necessarily true. I would have say that they are Brady's prefered player coverage sacks. Look for Welker, Branch and then Gronk. The rest are just decoys really.
The rest are decoys because they aren't getting open. Branch has lost a step and the middle of the field is getting flooded with Hernandez dictating some double coverages while recovering from injuries. Again, when the middle gets flooded, the TE's are taken out, and the defense is able to limit Welker, our offense gets bogged down.
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Honestly, the wide receiver core outside of Welker is absolutely pitiful.

Branch: Old, lost a step, not a full time player anymore. Should be 3/4.
Ochocinco: Waste of space, and money. Terrible production for his cost.
Edelman: Has regressed somehow as a receiver since 2009.
Price: Complete unknown, can't make his way onto the field or stay healthy.

Welker is the only good player there right now.
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The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.
That's just not true... Yesterday he was under pressure and hit and rushed a lot and the coverage made possible by the fact that the Giants were getting pressure rushing 4 was affecting his receivers performance with the exception of Welker...

They started bringing Solder in as a 6th TE/OL for a reason. But when they do that they conversely lose an option out in the pattern which makes coverage more difficult to beat.
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The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.
Not sure I agree with this at all - we've been getting beaten at the line a lot recently, in both the running and passing game. There has just been way too many guys losing one on one battles along our OL. The only guy who hasn't struggled of late, to my eyes, is Brian Waters. Everyone else has been shaky.

And I agree with whoever said that Vollmer has struggled more than Solder. Solder has a propensity to hold, but he got away with it...so nothing wrong with that.

I'll agree the middle of the field is clogged and receivers have a lot to do with it - but I also think there's an awful lot of traffic in the pocket with just 3 or 4 man rushes, lately.

I think Light is still banged up going back to the ankle injury in the Cowboys game on the sneak. Vollmer is rusty. Mankins has let himself get taken out of games with his emotions twice this year, and has had costly false starts. Connolly is just an adequate center who is overpowered at times. That is the state of the line. Mankins, Light & Vollmer will all play better - I cannot say the same for Connolly.

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The rest are decoys because they aren't getting open. Branch has lost a step and the middle of the field is getting flooded with Hernandez dictating some double coverages while recovering from injuries. Again, when the middle gets flooded, the TE's are taken out, and the defense is able to limit Welker, our offense gets bogged down.
This is so unfair for Ocho, he was open, he just got absolutely bad throws. I don't know why people are seeing the same thing yet making excuses for Brady.
He is off, has been off for a while now, was seeing ghost again in the first half, he settled down in the second half at least. He starts to duck way to early lately, whatever senses he had are now malfunctioning big time for him to feel pressure when it is not there and for this I blame the OL.
Who do the OL practice against at practice?
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If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.
Solder hasn't "played great". He's been ok, but he's had some major issues that the rest of the line has had to cover for.

Vollmer's clearly having issues, but Solder's not been the great wall either.
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