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Old 11-02-2011, 09:58 PM   #1
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No it's not, Michael Stipe.

That said, it is pretty bad and if there are not some serious changes made it's going to get ugly in hurry on both sides of the ball. Some are correctable, some are not, and some can be patched up enough to get you them home. I see these problems broken down into three major categories.

1) They have a high school offense and teams have figured it out. Think about it. Their best players are between the hashes and no one is going to back the safeties off. I've been concerned for a while about the lack out outside receivers and we're beginning to see this turn from a concern to a legitimate problem. The ambiguity and matchup problems of the two TE set are caused only when there is a legitimate outside presence. Why? Because without one the defense has no need to defend the deeper part of the field nor the areas outside the hashes with the safeties. The safeties are then allowed to drop down and provide not only a better TE matchup but robust run support . Further, the less of the demand placed on the exterior, the more it enables the defenses to beat the current bread and butter of Welker and Hernandez. Simply place an I/O bracket or get physical and pass to chase zones. Not only does this work to hurt the passing routes, but it keeps players in tight where they can better disguise pressures and defend the run. Without an outside option (they currently don't have one at either the x or z) the entire design of the offense won't work.

Solution: Pray that Price can play or Ocho wakes up one morning and says "oooooohhh. Wow, it's all so simple now."


Problem 2) Bill, let them play. So much of the talk lately has been about the GM practices. Alright, there's some valid points there and I'd sure like to have James Sanders back there to stabilize things, but ultimately all that stuff is irrelevant. There's nothing that can be done to change it, your roster is your roster, and goddamnit they are football players. This continued reliance upon this passive, weak, sickening two high safety look is poisoning the defense. I understand that it's risk mitigation and ultimately field goals aren't going to kill you, but it's removing one of your best defensive assets from contributing. The dual high safety crap is keeping Chung 20 yards from the action instead of letting him loose in the intermediate areas his skillset is so clearly geared towards. Ihedigbo? Sure, great, stick his ass 40 yards away from anything so he won't get in the way, but you have to start utilizing Chung. They also don't have linebackers getting sufficient depth and spread in their cover-2 and 4. Why do you think Heath Miller had such a huge game? He was getting behind the linebackers level. Once they began to move Guyton into that area it helped things (ie the INT) but it's been a glaring weakness all season.

Solution: The zones were spread and exposed by the Steelers in a perfect reversal of what normally happens in that game. Your players are in the NFL for a reason. You don't have Cooper Manning at corner. Bring your playmakers into positions that will enable them to make plays. Trust McCourty to right the ship. He will. Let your long-armed, strong corners leverage their skill sets. Don't ask a linebacker who runs a 5.2 40 to be your Mike in a Tampa-2 where he has to get safety depth. Stop confusing first time starters by trying to execute cute morphing coverages that replace exchange zones. You cut Sanders and are now confusing everyone else. They're football players. Let them play football. Execute good, sound fundamental coverages and at least let your players just fly around. You've got a fast team. UTILIZE IT. Mix in some blitzing and if you get burnt on occasion you get burnt. At least your players will be able to play. Otherwise you'll continue to play prevent right until you're kicked out in the first round for the third consecutive year. I love the x's and o's but sometimes the smartest move is to simplify.

Problem 3) They're soft. Mankins, Gronk, Spikes, and Welker are the only guys that standout as badasses. Seven years ago that whole damn team was 22 badasses. They're unemotional and most importantly playing not to get beat. This team has paralysis by analysis and that's very scary.

Solution: Type how soft they are on messageboards in hopes it gives the coaching staff sufficient motivational collateral. Again, dedicate yourself to an aggressive scheme and let your players play fast and emotional. This team has been over-intellectualized and it shows.
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That is a lot of vexed analysis for a team that's 5-2 and very well could be 6-2 next week.
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That is a lot of vexed analysis for a team that's 5-2 and very well could be 6-2 next week.
It could also be 5-3, or even 5-2-1.
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That is a lot of vexed analysis for a team that's 5-2 and very well could be 6-2 next week.
I agree, it was emotional. However at a time they should be trending upward or at least showing signs of figuring out how to utilize their personnel they are very clearly trending downward. My standard for judgement is a superbowl winning team. They don't look like one. At all.
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Mankins, Gronk, Spikes, and Welker are the only guys that standout as badasses
I would add Chung to that.

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It could also be 5-3, or even 5-2-1.
Or 6-1, we could easily have beaten Buffalo.

The concern for me on defense is there's no-one to upgrade right now. We have no MLB better than Spikes and if Mayo goes there we have no good WLB. We have no better SLB than Ninko. We have the three scrubs rotating at the safety spot other than Chung and none of them can play.

I like Carter, Wilfork, Mayo, Chung, McCourtey and Arrington. That's half a defense.
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No it's not, Michael Stipe.

That said, it is pretty bad and if there are not some serious changes made it's going to get ugly in hurry on both sides of the ball. Some are correctable, some are not, and some can be patched up enough to get you them home. I see these problems broken down into three major categories.

1) They have a high school offense and teams have figured it out. Think about it. Their best players are between the hashes and no one is going to back the safeties off. I've been concerned for a while about the lack out outside receivers and we're beginning to see this turn from a concern to a legitimate problem. The ambiguity and matchup problems of the two TE set are caused only when there is a legitimate outside presence. Why? Because without one the defense has no need to defend the deeper part of the field nor the areas outside the hashes with the safeties. The safeties are then allowed to drop down and provide not only a better TE matchup but robust run support . Further, the less of the demand placed on the exterior, the more it enables the defenses to beat the current bread and butter of Welker and Hernandez. Simply place an I/O bracket or get physical and pass to chase zones. Not only does this work to hurt the passing routes, but it keeps players in tight where they can better disguise pressures and defend the run. Without an outside option (they currently don't have one at either the x or z) the entire design of the offense won't work.

Solution: Pray that Price can play or Ocho wakes up one morning and says "oooooohhh. Wow, it's all so simple now."


Problem 2) Bill, let them play. So much of the talk lately has been about the GM practices. Alright, there's some valid points there and I'd sure like to have James Sanders back there to stabilize things, but ultimately all that stuff is irrelevant. There's nothing that can be done to change it, your roster is your roster, and goddamnit they are football players. This continued reliance upon this passive, weak, sickening two high safety look is poisoning the defense. I understand that it's risk mitigation and ultimately field goals aren't going to kill you, but it's removing one of your best defensive assets from contributing. The dual high safety crap is keeping Chung 20 yards from the action instead of letting him loose in the intermediate areas his skillset is so clearly geared towards. Ihedigbo? Sure, great, stick his ass 40 yards away from anything so he won't get in the way, but you have to start utilizing Chung. They also don't have linebackers getting sufficient depth and spread in their cover-2 and 4. Why do you think Heath Miller had such a huge game? He was getting behind the linebackers level. Once they began to move Guyton into that area it helped things (ie the INT) but it's been a glaring weakness all season.

Solution: The zones were spread and exposed by the Steelers in a perfect reversal of what normally happens in that game. Your players are in the NFL for a reason. You don't have Cooper Manning at corner. Bring your playmakers into positions that will enable them to make plays. Trust McCourty to right the ship. He will. Let your long-armed, strong corners leverage their skill sets. Don't ask a linebacker who runs a 5.2 40 to be your Mike in a Tampa-2 where he has to get safety depth. Stop confusing first time starters by trying to execute cute morphing coverages that replace exchange zones. You cut Sanders and are now confusing everyone else. They're football players. Let them play football. Execute good, sound fundamental coverages and at least let your players just fly around. You've got a fast team. UTILIZE IT. Mix in some blitzing and if you get burnt on occasion you get burnt. At least your players will be able to play. Otherwise you'll continue to play prevent right until you're kicked out in the first round for the third consecutive year. I love the x's and o's but sometimes the smartest move is to simplify.

Problem 3) They're soft. Mankins, Gronk, Spikes, and Welker are the only guys that standout as badasses. Seven years ago that whole damn team was 22 badasses. They're unemotional and most importantly playing not to get beat. This team has paralysis by analysis and that's very scary.

Solution: Type how soft they are on messageboards in hopes it gives the coaching staff sufficient motivational collateral. Again, dedicate yourself to an aggressive scheme and let your players play fast and emotional. This team has been over-intellectualized and it shows.
Not your best work Jay.
Every time this offense has a bad game The Entitleds cry that we got figured out and the smoke and mirrors offense is dead. Every time the offense goes on to light it up. I am surprised you fell for it.
You as well as anyone should know that when a team comes in and risks running scheme they don't do out of desperation because they have never stopped you before, there is a chance an offense is caught off guard. When the defense cant get off the field and allows 40 minutes of top that doesnt help.

Are you really calling for an aggressive defense, like what we did to start the year that failed even worse?
How soon we forget.

Finally, I am shocked a guy with the insight you have would question the toughness of players from your easy chair.

I respect your football acumen, but you really mailed this one in.
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Or 6-1, we could easily have beaten Buffalo.

The concern for me on defense is there's no-one to upgrade right now. We have no MLB better than Spikes and if Mayo goes there we have no good WLB. We have no better SLB than Ninko. We have the three scrubs rotating at the safety spot other than Chung and none of them can play.

I like Carter, Wilfork, Mayo, Chung, McCourtey and Arrington. That's half a defense.
Of course they can improve. Mayo was not 100%. Spikes actually has looked very good. The safeties will only improve with experience. The reserve corners need playing time to improve, and they are getting it.
The DL added Deaderick, who didn't look bad, and will soon add Brace.
Above all, the issues are clear as day, and they need to continue to work on them. Football teams address issues and improve. There is no reason this one won't as almost every BB defense has.
Solid players such as Ellis, Ninkovich, Spikes are the kind of guys you see on good defenses. You don't need 11 allpros, you need to get 11 guys doing their jobs.
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Of course they can improve. Mayo was not 100%. Spikes actually has looked very good. The safeties will only improve with experience. The reserve corners need playing time to improve, and they are getting it.
We'll see, I hope you're right but our 2nd Safety and 3rd (and 4th) CB are JAGs who wouldn't see the field for many teams. The LB have the potential to be OK but Mayo is still feeling his way (even aside from the injury) and Ninko and Spikes have their limitations athletically; that doesn't make them disasters but as a group these LB have a long, long way to go as none are fully in tune with the defense right now and only one (Mayo) is a standout athletically.
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This might sound crazy but I'm kinda surprised the D is getting so much heat when the Offense was really worse. The D held the Steelers to 23 and had a crucial turnover basically gift wrapping points. The rest of the game the vaunted offense only produced 10 points! Seems to me the Steelers essentially mimicked the Jets 2010 playoff game plan to perfection and the offense had no answers.
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