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The problem wa not letting him go, but not replacing him
This. Guys like Seymour don't grow on trees. Didn't teams average an entire yard less running to Seymour's side the year before he was traded? That's absurd. Jarvis Green, then the rag tag group of '10. Now they're trying to get Fat Al to get some of the responsibility off of Vince. They probably saw Seymour, coming off of a good season on a TERRIBLE defense, as good trade bait and went for it with a team that had tanked every season for 5+ years. I do think BB underrates talent vs. scheme though. Plugging in a JAG and praying isn't going to work every time, no matter how smart you are.
Only problem is, even with Seymour occupying two blockers, our LB's still aren't good enough set the edge or get outside pressure.
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Seymour was NOT staying here, franchise tag or not. He made it clear last year when his contract ran out and was asked about coming back to the Patriots. He told Tom Curran, "There's probably about 31 teams I'd consider going to."
Seymour was gone, the Patriots knew it and got the most out of him that they could. The scene where the staff talks about it during the Belichick show on the NFL Network makes it clear that they had to save the franchise tag for Wilfork.
And Deus Irae, don't bother quoting me. You've been on my ignore list for a long time so I won't see your post. You're the prototypical internet forum troll, who almost always takes a contrarian position to prolong debate. I've seen your kind for years so I've learned to avoid getting sucked into your playground.
Yeah, that was after the Pats traded him. He was PO'd about the whole thing, but I remember him voicing his disdain at having to uproot his family at an inopportune time (not that it's the pats' job to worry about that stuff).
Who the H knows if Sey would've re-signed? It's irrelevant. I would have sworn up and down that Mankins was a goner until about a minute before I read that he signed.
You cant just trade away your best defensive player for a draft pick 2 years from now with very little knowledge on the draft class. I know it probably allowed us to resign Wilfork, but Seymour's absence has been present ever sense.
Again, it was not about Seymour leaving......the arrogance of the organization in not replacing the lost talent.
It's not arrogance; it's the simple fact that talent doesn't grow on trees.
There's a fair question of one year of Seymour (or one year of Seymour plus all the cap space he'd take to re-sign after 2009) is worth Solder but the idea that they haven't tried to put together the best team they could is incredibly stupid.
It's not arrogance; it's the simple fact that talent doesn't grow on trees.
There's a fair question of one year of Seymour (or one year of Seymour plus all the cap space he'd take to re-sign after 2009) is worth Solder but the idea that they haven't tried to put together the best team they could is incredibly stupid.
Ooh rah......keep bathing in the koolaid......BB knows best, right?
Pointing out that someone who could have been franchised could have been franchised is not speculation. It is, indeed, the truth. Are we really going to have to get into dictionary issues now?
Here's what "could" have happened had we kept Seymour for the 2009 season:
After the season ended, (which more than likely ended at about the same time it did in reality anyway) Seymour "could" have been hanging out with fellow teammates Brady and Wilfork at a restaurant. While with them Seymour gets the news that he is to be franchised. Enraged, he starts yelling and cussing. Brady and Vince try to calm the situation, with it being in public and all. Seymour, in his fury, throws a punch at Brady, hitting him squarely in his right eye. Vince pulls him away but Seymour falls back onto Vince, who lands awkwardly and tears his ACL in both knees.
Seymour gets arrested and because of his fighting with teammates, the Patriots move to trade him but with his baggage, his worth on the trade market drops considerably.
Brady's right eye has permanent damage, causing constant blurriness. He can still play but his accuracy takes a huge hit and the offense struggles to consistently move the football.
Vince can never recover from damage to both knees. He retires after struggling in training camp before the 2011 season.
Note I said this "could" have happened. That isn't speculation. It is, indeed, the truth.
Here's what "could" have happened had we kept Seymour for the 2009 season:
After the season ended, (which more than likely ended at about the same time it did in reality anyway) Seymour "could" have been hanging out with fellow teammates Brady and Wilfork at a restaurant. While with them Seymour gets the news that he is to be franchised. Enraged, he starts yelling and cussing. Brady and Vince try to calm the situation, with it being in public and all. Seymour, in his fury, throws a punch at Brady, hitting him squarely in his right eye. Vince pulls him away but Seymour falls back onto Vince, who lands awkwardly and tears his ACL in both knees.
Seymour gets arrested and because of his fighting with teammates, the Patriots move to trade him but with his baggage, his worth on the trade market drops considerably.
Brady's right eye has permanent damage, causing constant blurriness. He can still play but his accuracy takes a huge hit and the offense struggles to consistently move the football.
Vince can never recover from damage to both knees. He retires after struggling in training camp before the 2011 season.
Note I said this "could" have happened. That isn't speculation. It is, indeed, the truth.
There's an obvious difference between the team actually having the ability to franchise Seymour (could) due to the CBA and your fantasy speculation ("could").
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You cant just trade away your best defensive player for a draft pick 2 years from now with very little knowledge on the draft class. I know it probably allowed us to resign Wilfork, but Seymour's absence has been present ever sense.
How about that stop Seymour made on the first play from scrimmage stopping Ray Rice.......oooops forgot, there was no Seymour. Yep, there was no need for Seymour since we contained the Ravens to oly 230 something yards rushing
Nate Solder really helped the OL that day stop Ray Lewis, Suggs pressure on Brady for 3 sacks, 1 strip fumble.....ooops forgot the T tandem was the all pro Nick Kazur/Vollmer and Light
Nate Solder once again helps the Patriots as Jets get only 5 sacks on Brady.
Richard Seymour once again helps contain Jets to 120 yards rushing, and 0 sacks, thats right 0 sacks
oooooooops. forgot, No Sey or Sold
But Solder will be all pro LT for Pats in 2015 when Brady is long gone and the ghost of Tony Eason will be QB'ng the Pats battling it out with Dan Orlovsky of the Colts.
Wasn't the idea to like win as many championships with the best QB you have TODAY.
Yes, Richard Seymour would not have helped this team since other OL never double teamed him or had to double team Wilfork
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