Ryan Mallett trade speculation - Page 11 - New England Patriots Forums

The Gr8est · 09-10-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Well, those issues may never have been a real situation to begin with. It is enough to scare some teams away, but it doesn't mean they are real.

Again, many people thought Mallett was the best QB in the draft. Polian could be one of them. He could also think he is garbage. Who knows?

We are just talking hypotheticals at this point.

Again, before last week, drafting a QB before the sixth or seventh round was ridiculous to Polian. Now they need to consider trying to trade up to get Andrew Luck next year or another contingency plan.

Again, IF the Colts do end up trading for Mallett, it will most likely be a second rounder. I woudn't even bet on that at this point. There is a decent chance that Polian doesn't draft a Qb next year, pays Manning the $28 million option bonus, and just believes in blind faith at Manning returns to his elite status next year.

What would motivate the Pats to trade a 3rd round QB who they stole at #83, to a hated rival who is desperate, for such a small markup in price.

Why would the Pats be motivated to trade their potential Brady-successor already? Unless they have decide that they don't like him for the future, I can't see any way they trade him now for less than a #1.

Who has a comparable young talent at QB available?

Simple supply and demand.

PATSYLICIOUS · 09-10-2011, 11:01 PM

I would take a #2 for him in the upcoming draft (which would have to be the minimum asking price now for us to want to do a trade). The Colts 2 will likely be high next year, close to a first rounder.

***Rob0729*** · 09-10-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spacecrime

Same basic operation for both players.

The thing that would keep Manning out for life would be fear of further damage to his neck, not that his accuracy or ability to quickly read a defense would suffer.

The point remains: If Collins doesn't work out, the Colts need a vet QB for this year, not a rookie. They aren't going to give up a first for a QB when Manning might be back. That makes no sense.

Give up the first only IF manning doesn't come back, and they won't know for 2-3 months. Time enough to think about trading when they know more.

Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

I agree. If the Colts were to trade for Mallett, it wouldn't be sooner than the trade deadline and more likely in March of 2012. But if they know in a month that Manning is not recovering like he should, they might gamble on a long term replacement even if it takes a high draft pick. It might not be Mallett though. It could be someone else.

***shmessy*** · 09-10-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gr8est

Are you seriously comparing the future franchise QBness of Mallett to Garrard, Beck, and Tebow? If the Colts think Manning may never be the same they aren't looking for a stop gap.

Because they wouldn't be giving up a freaking 1st rounder for those guys!!!!!!

They won't for Mallet either. Get over it. If they offer for Mallet, it would be for a 2nd or lower.

Mallet is a complete zero in the NFL at this point in time - - and he looked dazed and confused most of the preseason against 3rd and 4th stringers. The other guys have actually won a few games and would preserve Indy's option to select a #1 draft pick from among 5-7 blue chippers in 7 months.

Add to that the fact that anyone who knows anything about the Polian family would know they would rather chew off their limbs instead of trading a possible top of round 1st rounder to Belichick for his 3rd string QB.

I would LOVE it if a 1st rounder for Mallet occurred. But time to wake up from that fantasy dream.

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-10-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

Why is it preposterous? It's no less preposterous than organizing a trade in 2011 for 2012 picks.

Its preposterous because no one was willing to take Mallett in the 1st 81 picks, and you expect the Colts to trade a #1 for him before he has done a thing.

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Do you not concede that had the Colts known about the severity of Manning's condition come draft time they may have drafted a QB?

What does that have to do with Mallett?

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When did draft position become the ultimate measure of a player's worth and projected success in the NFL? If that were the case, Tom Brady would have never seen a snap in the NFL.

When you haven't done anything since 32 teams established your VALUE you have not change your VALUE from a guy going in the 80s to a guy a team would give away a 1st round pick to get.
Spare me the Brady example, Brady wasn't worth a nickel more than his draft slot a few days before the first game of his rookie season.

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Who says the Colts don't like Mallett?

Who says they do?

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I don't know if they do or they don't but when discussing a hypothetical situation about the possibility that the Colts may have inquired about Mallett, holding your position and refusing to budge is frankly, stupid. I acknowledge that if the Colts are inquiring about Mallett they'll be inquiring about other QB's too.

Holding my position in the face of what? People making ludicrous claims about the value of a player because there is an unconfirmed report a team asked if he was available?
When that report came out my opinion was it is ridiculous to think the Colts would give a #1 pick for him.
You have now called me STUPID for not changing that opinion, apparently based on all of the great info in this thread. Please recap for me, since I am stupid, all of the new facts brought out in this thread that is making my stupidity force me to hold my position based on the ever developing facts.

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It's a hypothetical discussion Andy. The sooner you accept that the better.

So should we start a hypothetical discussion about trading Dowling for the Bills #1 pick?
How about Tarpanian for a 3?

Just because its hypothetical doesnt mean it has to be ignorant. The sooner you accept that the better.

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-10-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Well,if the Colts are looking for a QB of the future, that pretty much eliminates Tebow, Beck, Carr, or Garrard. None of those guys are more than short term fixes and not even good ones at that. If the Colts actually do trade for mallett is because they think he can replace Manning permanently. Of all the guys mentioned, only Tebow might ever become that QB of the future and that is doubtful.

I look at it this way though. If Belichick thinks that Mallett could become a top tier QB, why would you trade him to the Colts for anything less than their first rounder.

Again, I don't think this trade will happen, but you are comparing two different types of QBs. You are saying that theColts should fix their long term needs at Qb with stop gap fixes over a QB with the potential of being their QB for the next 10 years.

Tebow was a first round draft choice who gained some experience last year.
Mallett was a 3rd round draft choice who hasnt taken an NFL real snap.
How is Tebow ruled out as a QB of the future but Mallett qualifies?
I understand you think Tebow sucks but he was more highly regarded when he was drafted than Mallett was.

Perhaps that will bring some persepctive to this thread.
NFL GMs felt Tebow was a more valuable draft choice than Mallett.
Anyone think the Colts are offering a 1 for Tebow?

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-10-2011, 11:10 PM

I'd take a 2014 #1 for him.
Thats probably better than we will end up getting.
I don't think the Colts would offer that either though.

***patchick*** · 09-10-2011, 11:11 PM

The funny thing is that I posted the Twitter link that started this earlier tonight in the main Manning thread. At the time, I considered it pure fluff and didn't even consider devoting a whole thread to it. Because even if it were true, obviously nothing could come of it, right? The Pats wouldn't send Mallett to Indy for just a 2nd, the Colts wouldn't dream of parting with a first, and the Colts don't have any players who would make natural value-added parts to the deal. So Polian will look elsewhere.

Over the course of the argument here, though, I've started to see it a little differently. Let's say you're the Colts, and you've decided that Peyton Manning probably won't be your QB for 2012. What the heck do you do?

Do you aim QB in the draft? Ugh, not pretty. It isn't a promising class after Luck, and starting a rookie probably means giving up 2012 as well as 2011...and watching the clock tick down on Wayne, Clark, and Freeney.

So you start to think trade options. Tim Tebow, who doesn't really look like an NFL QB at all? John Beck, who in his 5th season still can't manage to beat out Rex Grossman? David Garrard, as a stopgap? Can you really win with that guy?

I'm thinking I'd call Bill Belichick.

***ausbacker*** · 09-10-2011, 11:12 PM

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