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BradyManny · 03-14-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianPat

I don't think the statement is accurate, if you think they'll improve to Asante's level, then you can also assume Asante's level of play would have increased. I think Hall would be over kill unless we get him for short money for a year. I think we need to adddress our linebacker corp and add some youth, then see what we can add to our pass coverage.

But I don't think Asante's level of play would've increased. I don't think it was at nearly as high a level as some make it out to be.

Honestly, I'd rather beef up the LB corp and pass rush and go into camp with a couple of JAGs than worry about getting a "#1" corner like Asante or Hall or whoever.

Ask yourself how useful Asante is as a "shutdown corner" if Belichick opts to use Hobbs (and a banged up Hobbs dealing with two injuries) on Plaxico in an all-out blitz that was to make or break the Super Bowl. Maybe - as many posters here have said - the difference between the two's coverage ability is not as wide a gap as it may seem. Hobbs - who more often than not drew tougher assignments - kept Plaxico quiet all game.

BradyManny · 03-14-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Watson's IQ

I feel like if people keep saying this enough, he's going to become decidedly underrated. People seem to be bucking against the opinion that Asante was the best cornerback in the league, the problem with that being that I don't think anybody was actually of that opinion. In general, I think people around here have been pretty modest in their assessments of Asante's talent (which is a common defense mechanism when you know someone's walking). He's well better than average, maybe even very good, but not "great". I think that's the majority opinion. I don't know who you still think is overrating him.

The Philadelphia Eagles front office for one

. Plus, I think you're severely underestimating the contingency of posters here who think we will have considerable trouble dealing with Asante's loss and that Asante was the best corner in the league.

signbabybrady · 03-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Watson's IQ

I feel like if people keep saying this enough, he's going to become decidedly underrated. People seem to be bucking against the opinion that Asante was the best cornerback in the league, the problem with that being that I don't think anybody was actually of that opinion. In general, I think people around here have been pretty modest in their assessments of Asante's talent (which is a common defense mechanism when you know someone's walking). He's well better than average, maybe even very good, but not "great". I think that's the majority opinion. I don't know who you still think is overrating him.

If you ask me Asante is one of the best CBs in the league right now. He will do good things with the Eagles. IMO he may even be better there than he was here because he will be asked to do more on his own as they blitz alot and he will be left alone alot and he will handle it just fine.

***Rob0729*** · 03-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Watson's IQ

I feel like if people keep saying this enough, he's going to become decidedly underrated. People seem to be bucking against the opinion that Asante was the best cornerback in the league, the problem with that being that I don't think anybody was actually of that opinion. In general, I think people around here have been pretty modest in their assessments of Asante's talent (which is a common defense mechanism when you know someone's walking). He's well better than average, maybe even very good, but not "great". I think that's the majority opinion. I don't know who you still think is overrating him.

Many people around the league feel that Samuel is a product of the Pats system and that he is not a good man-to-man CB. I don't think it is just around here.

I personally think he is a bit overrated and agree that he isn't a great man-to-man CB, but I think he is a top CB as long as he is in a system that plays a lot of zone.

Watson's IQ · 03-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Hall isn't the player that Dillon was or Moss is. Also, both Dillon and Moss took "prove it to me" deals to come to the Pats. Hall wants "You know what I am so pay me" deal right now. So there is no way I see the situations are the same between Hall and Moss or Dillon unless the Pats only have to give up a fourth rounder or less (yeah, I know the Pats gave up a second for Dillon, but he took a way below market deal to come here) and Hall agrees to play out his deal or the Pats or we trade for Hall for more and he takes a multiyear deal well below his demands of $10 million a year (like $5-6 million a year). I definitely don't see the later happening and I doubt the former will either.

Hall is also 25 years old. And yes, talent-wise, he is very much as good a CB as Dillon was a RB in his prime (I wouldn't put him on Moss' level). You're acting like this is Pacman Jones we're talking about, Hall has all the talent in the world AND has stayed on the field. A lot of shine came off him last year because of the well publicized feud with Petrino, but I think we see now who the jerk in that situation was. Hall is an elite talent, and if you think anything other than that, you're wrong.

signbabybrady · 03-14-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Many people around the league feel that Samuel is a product of the Pats system and that he is not a good man-to-man CB. I don't think it is just around here.

I personally think he is a bit overrated and agree that he isn't a great man-to-man CB, but I think he is a top CB as long as he is in a system that plays a lot of zone.

I just posted above that I think he will do just fine in man to man. He has great instincts and speed and will do fine.

BradyManny · 03-14-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

I personally think he is a bit overrated and agree that he isn't a great man-to-man CB, but I think he is a top CB as long as he is in a system that plays a lot of zone.

Right, and the premium for that is a little lower, thus Asante is overvalued, and anyone who wanted us to fork over a boatload of money to him isn't recognizing this. IE, CBs who are viewed as potential shutdown man corners will go in round 1, and we can find some good zone corners in rounds 2-4.

Watson's IQ · 03-14-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Many people around the league feel that Samuel is a product of the Pats system and that he is not a good man-to-man CB. I don't think it is just around here.

I personally think he is a bit overrated and agree that he isn't a great man-to-man CB, but I think he is a top CB as long as he is in a system that plays a lot of zone.

You need to look up the definition of overrated. If that is the consensus of people around the league (and I agree it is to some extent) than he was definitely NOT overrated. Maybe by the Eagles front office, but I think you're suggesting that most people have a pretty good idea what his talent level is.

***Rob0729*** · 03-14-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by signbabybrady

I just posted above that I think he will do just fine in man to man. He has great instincts and speed and will do fine.

He has never been a good man-to-man CB. I disagree with you on that. He isn't the most physical CB and will have trouble playing man up with a big WR. His insticts suits him better in a zone.

***Deus Irae*** · 03-14-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

But I don't think Asante's level of play would've increased. I don't think it was at nearly as high a level as some make it out to be.

Honestly, I'd rather beef up the LB corp and pass rush and go into camp with a couple of JAGs than worry about getting a "#1" corner like Asante or Hall or whoever.

Ask yourself how useful Asante is as a "shutdown corner" if Belichick opts to use Hobbs (and a banged up Hobbs dealing with two injuries) on Plaxico in an all-out blitz that was to make or break the Super Bowl. Maybe - as many posters here have said - the difference between the two's coverage ability is not as wide a gap as it may seem. Hobbs - who more often than not drew tougher assignments - kept Plaxico quiet all game.

We all make mistakes on player evaluation, even once the players are in the league, but I've been calling Hobbs the better cover corner for some time now. It should be interesting to see and evaluate Hobbs and Samuel on opposing teams in the upcoming season.

As for Hall, to me the question is: what is the highest pick you are willing to give up in order to rent a player for a season? My thinking is that there's just no way New England will give up that #7 pick, and I'd imagine some other team would give up more than the Patriots' second rounder as well as giving him a new contract, so I don't see how he would end up in New England.