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bagwell368 · 08-24-2011, 10:26 PM

More wins??

Brady 111-32 + 14-5 = 125-37

Manning 141-67 + 9-10 = 150-77

So to get 25 more wins, Manning has also lost 40 more games. Does it make me a homer to point out that this is a ridiculous way to view this? But as long as we are, Brady has won at a much better percentage then Manning.

As for Int's. 2.7% Int for Manning, and since we are talking totals Manning has 198 + 19 (playoffs) = 217 picks. Brady is 103 + 16 = 119 Int's. So in keeping with the totals uber alles leanings, then Brady is >>>>>>>>>>> then Manning in Int's. Yes it's ridiculous, but since 4710 + 682 Brady ATT's is a lot more then half way to Manning's 7210 + 718 ATT's, then it's clear as the Int% tells us that Manning is a riskier and/or less accurate QB then Brady.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Actually, playing longer means nothing statistically, except in regards to volume stats. Volume stats mean little. You've got no argument. Brady's the better Qb, and his numbers back that up even though he's played in far fewer "good weather" venues, percentage-wise.

Volume stats mean little? You must live in a different world than me. The volume stats are absolutely the most celebrated in sports.

If you don't think so, ask a sports fan the meaning of the number 714, then the meaning of the number 2.2%.

They'll know Babe Ruth's homerun total, they won't know Brady's INT%.

We're talking about all-time greatness here. Playing at a high level for a long time is meaningful.

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

On a side note, I love that you try using more wins as if it means something,

Now THAT is funny.

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

And, please, keep calling me a homer. I want to see how many people here you cause to stroke out with that, either with fury or laughter.

Anyone that claims Brady is 'obviously' the better QB is a homer, maybe you just have a little slice of homer in you.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bagwell368

More wins??

Brady 111-32 + 14-5 = 125-37

Manning 141-67 + 9-10 = 150-77

So to get 25 more wins, Manning has also lost 40 more games. Does it make me a homer to point out that this is ridiculous?

As for Int's. 2.7% Int for Manning, and since we are talking totals Manning has 198 + 19 (playoffs) = 217 picks. Brady is 103 + 16 = 119 Int's. So in keeping with the totals uber alles leanings, then Brady is >>>>>>>>>>> then Manning in Int's

Manning 399 TD - 1.92/game
Brady 261 TD - 1.83/game

The Brandon Five · 08-24-2011, 10:32 PM

Deus a homer?

Now THAT is funny.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bagwell368

More wins??

tells us that Manning is a riskier and/or less accurate QB then Brady.

What does Manning's 9 consective seasons over 65% completion tell us when you compare it to Brady's 3 career seasons over 65%?

bagwell368 · 08-24-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JJDChE

If you want to use QB rating as your metric for 'tailing off', go ahead. Doesn't mean it makes sense. He was voted the best player in the NFL in 2008 and 2009. That some pretty impressive tailing off.

Even looking at his passer rating. The objective observer would say he was very consistent from 2003-2009, with one historic year in the middle. 7 straight years with a rating between 95 and 104, with a big bump to 121 in '04. 2010 was the year that sticks out as a big drop off from past years.

So sorry, but QB Rating makes a lot more sense to use to demonstrate Manning's erosion - then Awards with biased subjective voters behind them.

Yes 2010 was a big drop off year as has been pointed out by quite a few. But the fact is, the trends were down on Manning since '04, so another 110+ QB Rating year out of Manning seems all but impossible at this point.

Mogamedogz · 08-24-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jabanero

What's a troll? Someone who disagrees with the common wisdom that everything Patriots is right?

Are we only supposed to discuss things like who we can trade Wilhite for?

You will never win bro. Homers rule the roost here. Unfortunately.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bagwell368

So sorry, but QB Rating makes a lot more sense to use to demonstrate Manning's erosion - then Awards with biased subjective voters behind them.

He was the best player in the NFL in 2008/9. IME, the NFL MVP voting has been pretty spot on in the last decade. Manning deserved it as much as anyone. He had a QB rating of 100 in 2009. C'mon, you have to see how ridiculous this assertion is.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 10:53 PM

I'm pretty sure we couldn't even trade Wilhite for a 6-pack of Coke.

***AndyJohnson*** · 08-24-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JJDChE

Unless Brady has at least another MVP and/or Super Bowl run, Manning will be remembered as the better QB. That's just the way it is. That's the public perception. Sure, lots of people would still pick Brady over Manning, but Manning will win the publicity battle. You can argue against it if you want but you might as well just bang you head against the wall.

Honestly, who gives a crap? They're both first ballot locks, top 10 all time QBs. Arguing which one is better is a waste of time.

NFL players who voted the top 100 disagree with you.
So does every oither unbiased objective analysis.