Palm Beach Pats Fan

LOL.

Somebody gives you a purely facts-based analysis and you can't disagree with any of it, because, well... the facts are the facts.

Your response?

Ignore it, call names and run.

I was born and raised in Indiana. I can appreciate Peyton Manning as arguably a top 10-15 quarterback of all-time, and certainly a hall-of-famer. We are in the business of splitting hairs, and you just lack comprehension skills, so I'll just have to throw up my hands and give up.

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bagwell368

A great piece that draws heavily on the two CHFF pieces. It's easier to read and more clear to the moderate fan then the CHFF pieces as well.

I'm looking forward to another 2-3 MVP's (reg and post season) for Brady to overstep Manning, which will do away with that argument.

Another SB win puts the Pats ahead of the Cowboys into the 49'er and Steeler realm. Two would put us over them as well.

BB is now at an age when no other Coach has ever won a SB (I believe), TB has maybe 3 more peak years left, I'd say they are going for it - over the next 3 years.

I'd like to see the Colts, Jets, and Steelers driven before us with the lamentations of their women ringing in our ears - that is best. (Thanks Conan).

JJDChE

So you'd rather use a statistical formula than the votes of people who actually watched the players play?

Gotcha.


As I'm sure you were arguing back before Brady was a stat god...intangibles count. Manning had them those years.

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JJDChE

Ask yourself this. If Manning played outdoors his whole career, would he really be 'worse' or would he just have learned to play better outdoors?

Yes, Brady plays better outside than Manning. Whoop-de-do.

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Rossmci90

He plays better inside, he plays better on the road, in the play offs, in bad weather, in good weather and in any conceivable condition you can think of.

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And yet Brady also plays better inside than Manning, even though his indoor games are all on the road! Imagine if Brady "learned to play indoors"!!!

Their careers are both sufficiently long to have a body of work under various game conditions.

Manning is the elite home-dome quarterback of the NFL, I'll give him that. His only real competition was Kurt Warner as a Ram and Warren Moon as an Oiler, and I'll give the nod to Mr. Neckbolts.

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Snake Eyes

Brady plays better than him outdoors and indoors. Is it just a matter of "learning to play outdoors"? Wind will throw passes off their target, the temperature and humidity in the air will change the trajectory of the ball, sorry but that's basic physics. It's more difficult and TFB does it better than Peyton, why wouldnt you want the QB that can play better in the elements as well as indoors?

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bagwell368

Staubach, Starr, and Graham are all HOF'ers with less games played then Brady. Obviously those guys didn't have 16 game schedules. Steve Young has ONE more game played then Brady. Jim Kelly has 177 games played (reg + playoff) and he's in the HOF - Brady has 162 - so he's liable to pass Kelly this year. I submit as I already have in this thread that Brady has passed the threshold of games played where this argument can't be used against him. If Brady starts 19 games this year he'll be into the top 15 QB's in games played all time, is that good enough for you?


This is evidence? Why not do some research on the current thinking. Say it gives Brady a 1.5% advantage over Manning. That would make a fairly tight race in some stats quite a bit different. Fact is back in the 2001-2004 time frame Manning fans dissed Brady as a game manager, then when BB saw the implications of the rules changes after 2006, he turned his team to an offensive focus and gave Brady some top quality targets and viola! turns out Brady is every bit as great a gun as Manning - minus the propensity to make mistakes of course.

Yes, one of many. Get tape of the 4 pick game in Foxboro and watch magnificent pink forehead whine, stomp, kvetch, complain, have his head go purple, and prove what an immense leader he is, right there on tape. Then get a copy of the post game conference. What weight do you give that? 1-10 in post season game ending games - what weight on that?

Those are the points I'm making, lots of factors, seemingly almost all of them on Brady's side. All you seem to have is an objection to the shortness of Brady's career which by NFL QB HOF standards is laughable. I gave you the answer - compared Manning to Brady through game 143 regular season - big lead for Brady there, or project the decline of Manning and the remaining peak of Brady with his decline. But you can't nix all of those choices or it proves that you are not involved in this debate in good faith.

Haley

JJDChE, before this thread, I might have agreed with you that these 2 were very close, almost too close to call. But this discussion has been extremely one sided in terms of supporting evidence. I have yet to see much of an argument against Brady being measurably superior. Perhaps this evidence exists but it is not being presented here.

Playing the devil's advocate, I might toss out here that a lot of the statistics being presented here may only have become notably superior due to the impact of last year's amazing statistics. The question I have is this: Can the case be made that Brady is statistically superior using only stats prior to last year? Because if 1 year's worth of stats is all that separates these two then calling either superior is very premature. However, it seems safe to say Brady is currently winning the race with very little time left on the Manning clock.

That is the most help I can provide your argument, Mr. Colts fan. Volume stats? Cmon.....that has no teeth and convinces no one. Even you must see that if you count volume success you have to count volume fail.

goheels22002

Manning is 1-1 (.500) in Superbowls outdoors in the wind and the rain. Brady is 3-1 (.750) in indoor astroturf climate controlled Superbowls. Brady ought to take his act to the Arena Football League. Manning is a far superior championship game outdoor bad weather quarterback.