FINALLY someone national brings up playing conditions regarding Brady and Manning... - Page 11 - New England Patriots Forums

***Deus Irae*** · 08-24-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JJDChE

Brady and Manning are roughly on the same pace. All things being equal, wouldn't you rate higher the one who did it at the same level longer?

No. Why on Earth would I be fool enough to do that, so long as some sufficient time had passed for both? Gayle Sayers isn't less of a running back for having a shorter career than some other greats.

IF everything else was equal, I could see arguing it as a tie breaker. As a stand alone reason, though? No.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

That is incorrect. Brady is better in every regard except # of years in the league and the resulting excess volume stats, which are not comparable in efficiency. Not only is 'Brady better indoors and outdoors but he is better combined, even though Manning plays so many more indoor or good weather games.
We haven't even discussed winning yet, and Brady has the highest win %in NFL history.
Manning 'getting his' still leaves him 2 behind Brady. Somehow you think avoiuding the slight 'never won the big one' is the same thing as winning 3 apparently.

History doesn't remember efficiency.

JJDChE · 08-24-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Palm Beach Pats Fan

To this point Manning has played more games, chucked it up more, amassed more volume statistics, while the productivity stats are fairly close (except for anything to do with turnovers or winning).

The whole point of this thread is that the areas they are nearly statistical equals overall, such as passer rating, are skewed quite dramatically by weather conditions.

Fact 1: Both are better in good weather than in bad weather conditions
Fact 2: Brady is better than Manning in bad weather
Fact 3: Brady is better than Manning in good weather
Fact 4: Manning plays a much higher percentage of his games in good weather as opposed to bad, relative to Brady.
Fact 5: This inequality makes them overall look statistically comparable but is deceiving, since it in essence compares Manning in perfect conditions (more often than not) to Brady in imperfect weather conditions (more often than not).

I can't put it more simply than that. Read this a few times and maybe SOME facts will sink into your Coltish skull.

Congratulations, you get an ultrahomer sticker.

TriplecHamp · 08-24-2011, 11:54 PM

Peyton is going down as one of the top 5 of all time.

Brady is going down as top 4. Hope this helps the debate guys.

***Deus Irae*** · 08-25-2011, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TriplecHamp

Peyton is going down as one of the top 5 of all time....Brady is going down as top 4. Hope this helps the debate guys.

Unless he gets more SB wins, or does something that's out of this world, Manning won't go down as a top 5 QB, IMO. The top 6, in no particular order

Unitas
Montana
Brady
Starr
Graham
Baugh

Manning can fight it out for the rest of the top 10 with guys like Staubach, Elway, Young, etc... I've got a list around somewhere. I believe I currently have Manning somewhere between 11 and 15.

jcdavey · 08-25-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by strngplyr

Could possibly make a case for Rivers, Brees, and Rodgers during that time frame too.

Brady is the only unanimous winner.

i liked rivers stats the year he broke fouts sd td record, but mvp is usually most wins too

favre just got super screwed , he had the better stats and he was only 2 wins off of peyton

his tds and ints were 33/7, peyton's were 33/16

favre's qbr was a whole 8 points higher

peyton was just the fashionable pick

***BradyFTW!*** · 08-25-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JJDChE

Congratulations, you get an ultrahomer sticker.

Care to point out where he's wrong?

Or are you just going to stick with the "history only remembers volume stats" argument, and continue to pretend that history remembers Marino, Elway, Tarkenton, Moon, and Testaverde as better QBs than Joe Montana?

captain stone · 08-25-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

The best part is that I've been called a homer by more than one person tonight. AJ, Mo and a few of the other extreme homers are probably reading the board tonight and looking for kittens to kill.

You're not fooling anyone, DI. We all know that you wear Pat the Patriot foot PJs during football season, and have programmed Gil Santos to wake you up in the morning, on your Mosi Moose alarm clock.

Mogamedogz · 08-25-2011, 12:34 AM

If history remembered stats more... Marino would be looked at as > Montana.

Emmitt > Brown

Strahan > LT

you get the point.

spacecrime · 08-25-2011, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fixit

So, Brady's been better in New England weather than Manning has been in a dome, and you contend that Manning would actually improve in New England weather? Interesting.

Anyway, I started this thread because I was amazed that a fact so obvious never gets any play.

Evidently it still doesn't among Colts fans. Not sure why they think it is just as easy passing in a 31* rainstorm in high winds in November-December as it is in a 72* dome with no wind.