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Old 08-09-2011, 07:26 PM   #41
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We cant have all pros at all positions. BB does his best to keep the best players ...based on performance and there salary structure...and I still think we had to trade Seymour.
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Trading Seymour would have been the wrong thing to do if he had reasonable contract demands.
It wasnt a choice between Seymour and Moss.
Agreed, I love big sey(especially after he punched big Ben) but he's out to get top dollar. He's won enough championships. Pats wouldn't of been able to outbid everyone.
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The fact that you are so stupid to try comparing Wilfork's situation to Milloy or Seymour shows how desperate you are.

Milloy had a significant drop in production the year before he was cut. And Milloy's was the only contract (other than Law's) that hadn't already been restructured and could be cut to free up enough cap space.

Seymour's was in the last year of his contract.

What you said IS ridiculous and it's not close to being realistic. You talking in half-truths and grasping as straws.

A thread like this is NOT natural progression especially with the lame attempts at comparisons that are not thought through.
Both Seymour and Milloy were basically salary cap "cuts". To infer its possible that BB is re-evaluating Vince's value at a DT vs NT and the cap ramifications is appropriate. Value is value, it wouldnt surprise me to see Vince traded for a 1st round pick if we were to switch to a 43. No half truths or straws there lone star, keep the personal attacks to your mexican breatheren taking your job at the drive thru.
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No, Milloy had lost at least two steps and Seymour had lots of injuries and wear for a guy wanting his second huge long term contract. Also, I wouldn't put either in Vince's category as an inspirational leader and positive personality.

It's not the only thing wrong with your argument, but if that's your premise...whiff.
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Was that really called for?
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I don't agree ~ philosophically ~ that trading Seymour was the best move.

But I certainly concede that there are VERY strong Arguments on the other side.

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Honestly, it was only Thunder's uncharacteristically dismissive "end of discussion" noise that I was objecting to...I am never too happy or comfortable when I find myself in agreement with Brother Deuce Awry, and if it's all the same to y'all, we'll just let this one sink...

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No, Milloy had lost at least two steps and Seymour had lots of injuries and wear for a guy wanting his second huge long term contract.

Also, I wouldn't put either in Vince's category as an inspirational leader and positive personality.
WHOA.

Brother Ray, I am an HUGE fan of your work, but I MUST "voice" a rare disagreement with you on THAT one.

Lawyer Milloy ~ my BOY ~ was an integral part of the SOUL of this team.

And for my money: He always will be.

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No, Milloy had lost at least two steps and Seymour had lots of injuries and wear for a guy wanting his second huge long term contract. Also, I wouldn't put either in Vince's category as an inspirational leader and positive personality.

It's not the only thing wrong with your argument, but if that's your premise...whiff.
Wow, if Milloy lost 2 steps how did he manage to survive in the league for 3-4 more years? Sey got hurt playing FB, and in his prime he was certainly better than Vince. I think if you see NTs in the league with hurt knees and backs you have to assume a short shelf life. Stop getting sentimental by saying "inspirational leader", that has no point in the arguement. Everyone likes fat guys and dancing bears but here they have to continue to play up to their contracts. I like Vince, hope we keep him, but considering all the recent moves it wouldnt surprise me to get value out of him one way or another.
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