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Sciz

Can somebody explain how he got his numbers? He cites Miguel, but then gives a completely different answer.

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PatsWickedPissah

Nobody can explain because we don't know the new CBA rules on dead cap money and any specific season rules because of the new CBA. ALL cap statements are approximations until the details are finalized and disseminated.

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MoLewisrocks

Because the dragon isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer... The Pats don't have a ton of dead cap to deal with and there are virtually zero indications eliminating it has even been considered except by those who insisted it must be because they knew otherwise their binky's were in a little doo-doo...

I can't go to CSN and even read what he says because my computer locks up every time I go near that site...

Miguel is always closer than any mediot save those handed the actual figures by the NFL and Curran has never been one of them. Usually that is one of the ESPN (often Clayton) or NFLN guys.

Rob0729

FWIW, Mazz said his sources have the Pats cap around that number. Granted Curran could be his source.

I'm not really in position to really question Miguel, but his number seems a lot higher that it was reported it would be prior to the lockout. Many reports had the Pats cap somewhere in the $90 million range before Mankins.

One thing about Miguel's number, I am pretty sure it has RFA tenders on it which obviously will be removed from the cap.

BradyManny

No offense to Mazz, but I'm pretty sure his source is just Curran, too. Mazz doesn't know much (read: anything) about football. And I'm a fan of the show.

The ESPN article that MoLewisRocks had in the other thread jives with where Miguel has them - as if we actually needed further proof of Miguel's #s, which prove to be the most accurate you can find on the web, easily.

JMT had a good analysis of how that plays out with the top 51 rule here: Tentative Agreement for 2011 Salary Cap.

MoLewisrocks

The only ones to be removed would be invalid ones for 5th and 6th years...and we only had one of those.

I'm sure Curran isn't counting the Mankins tag, but there will be one whether it's at $8M or $10M+ because no settlement is going to do away with something Polian needs to remain valid...

MoLewisrocks

As always Miguel noted that all players are not counted in his cap figures. He counts 51 players until the deadline for the season at which time he counts the actual 53 who made the roster. He also counts dead cap at all times since it always counts. Ours at this time is a mere $1M plus.

patfanken

I think he did it pretty simplistically to get his cap figure. He just took 48% of $9B and divided that by 32 teams. Granted I'm too lazy to actually do the math, but I'm guessing if you do it, it will come out the $115MM/team Curran guesses at.

As to the Pats number that is more problematical. It also repeats one of my pet peeves. That is giving projected team cap numbers WITHOUT giving the number of players actually under contract. For example Team A is 15MM under the cap. Team B is 25MM It would seem that team B is in a better cap situation. However you might change your mind if you knew that team A has 45 guys signed and Team B only has 32. Ergo, you CANNOT really tell how good or bad a team's cap situation WITHOUT knowing how may players they have under contract to get to that figure. Yet the media almost NEVER gives you that info. WHY!!!!!!!!!!

Sciz

He specifically said that he is including Mankins, which confuses me even more! There's a $15M or so difference somewhere...

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