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A motivated Moss is a force to be reckoned with- I don't care how damn old he is.
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Patriots move on from Moss for the same reason the Raiders did. If Moss can do half as well the last time he had something to prove it will be a heck of a season.
Randy Moss only gave a crap about his performance two seasons in his entire career--1998 after being insulted by the Cowboys and 2007.
And that's the type of player you want on the team?
Patriots move on from Moss for the same reason the Raiders did. If Moss can do half as well the last time he had something to prove it will be a heck of a season.
Randy Moss only gave a crap about his performance two seasons in his entire career--1998 after being insulted by the Cowboys and 2007.
And you state that like it's a good thing... And half as well is less than what we got for most of his time here. Sorry, but it wasn't nearly worth the aggrevation.
Moss had something to prove before and after he got traded last season and it didn't result in a heck of a season for anyone... His issue heading into 2010 was he didn't think he had anything to prove, which is why he believed he was due a contract extension befitting his self image before the season. What on earth makes you people think he's sufficiently motivated a year later to prove anything else now for essentially a prove it deal... let alone that he is still capable of proving he's even worth the effort? Bill let go of 2007 sometime in 2009. The rest of you would be well served to give it up almost two years later... Like Randy himself, 2007 was a freak occurrance. At this point 2009 might even be one, and that's one that is simply not worth the aggrevation of repeating.
I think a good fit for Moss would be going to New Orleans. They will be looking for WRs in free agency, and he would be a perfect fit for thier vertical passing offense. I could see him and Drew Brees getting along, and I think Payton is the kind of coach that could get a lot out of him. Moss could give that offense some seriously scary potential.
1) low cost or incentive-laden 1 or 2 year deal
2) show he is humbled- apologize to his teammates for causing a distraction last year
3) prove he truly is in top shape
4) promise not to pout if his role is diminished
If all that is true, I don't have a problem with it, if BB doesn't.
Hell, if he doesn't, none of us should take issue with it.
Do you really want to revisit Brady trying to force balls downfield to Moss to keep him involved and happy and prevent him from pouting on the sidelines?Was great while it lasted but I don't think the percentages of success are all that great when you go back and remarry your ex-wife either.
As a fan, I want to see the Pats take a chance on him on a one-strike-you're-out type of deal, but if I was BB I wouldn't even bother. Moss still has the physical ability. I don't think that there's any evidence against this, aside from his performance last year, where there were clearly other things going on mentally that were causing problems.
A lot of people believe that Moss was bringing the offense down while he was here last year, primarily because of the Jet's game. The offense hardly struggled in the other two games Moss started though, scoring 38 points in both. Sure enough, after he left, the offense undeniably saw a temporary dip in production, culminating in a 14 point performance at Cleveland. That's the main reason that the fan in me wants to see him back; I don't agree that he was hurting the offense, and I think he could still be effective. However, the second half of the season was one of the most unbelievable offensive showings ever, and this is the reason that we DO NOT need Randy Moss, and we do not really need to sign any other receivers either!
Singing Moss would not significantly improve offense performance, and that's what we need to know. He might make a few spectacular plays, but those would be offset by the plays where Brady tries to force the ball to him, or where he is otherwise not useful. The offense might change, but it wouldn't appreciably improve.
That being said, I don't see the harm of bringing him to training camp if it's cheap (which it better be). But I'd prefer Sidney Rice.
As a fan, I want to see the Pats take a chance on him on a one-strike-you're-out type of deal, but if I was BB I wouldn't even bother. Moss still has the physical ability. I don't think that there's any evidence against this, aside from his performance last year, where there were clearly other things going on mentally that were causing problems.
A lot of people believe that Moss was bringing the offense down while he was here last year, primarily because of the Jet's game. The offense hardly struggled in the other two games Moss started though, scoring 38 points in both. Sure enough, after he left, the offense undeniably saw a temporary dip in production, culminating in a 14 point performance at Cleveland. That's the main reason that the fan in me wants to see him back; I don't agree that he was hurting the offense, and I think he could still be effective. However, the second half of the season was one of the most unbelievable offensive showings ever, and this is the reason that we DO NOT need Randy Moss, and we do not really need to sign any other receivers either!
Singing Moss would not significantly improve offense performance, and that's what we need to know. He might make a few spectacular plays, but those would be offset by the plays where Brady tries to force the ball to him, or where he is otherwise not useful. The offense might change, but it wouldn't appreciably improve.
That being said, I don't see the harm of bringing him to training camp if it's cheap (which it better be). But I'd prefer Sidney Rice.
I just watched the 2007 video of Randy, and two things stand out. One, his speed. He is so much faster than any DBs who he played against. Two, and maybe more importantly, was how aggressive he was after the football. No quit. No jogging. There were a few times in the video where the announcer would say something like "Randy just ran a deep route." Or "You knew they were gonna go right back there after Brady and Moss didn't hook up on the last play." If Randy didn't get the ball, he wasn't pouting and would run harder on the next play.
Coming back to New England isn't going to give Randy Moss the satisfaction he wants. IF he came back here, he'd be fighting for receptions from four guys: Branch, Welker, A. Hernandez and Gronkowski. Sure, Moss would have a role carved out for him and the team would benefit from having a player LIKE him on the (i.e. a deep threat, with great hands), but is that what Moss WANTS? To be down on the list of offensive threats or with a team where he can be the first or second option?
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I reiterate my prediction: CBPY 2011: Randy Moss, WR, NEP.
I'm convinced.
If you can't believe a player's agent to be honest about the condition and skills of a player, who CAN you believe?
Seriously - Moss was even MORE motivated to play well to earn an extension last season, before the lockout.
The question when a player like Moss does not perform is usually a question of whether they "would not" play well or whether they "could not" play well.
Seeing as Moss had everything to gain and everything to lose, I think we can safely rule out the "would not" and can say with certainty that he was trying his best. The whole reason he wanted to be traded was to show he could play at a very high level.
So we know that in 2010 Moss "could not" play at a high level. Why that was - and whether anything's changed in 2011 - is really the big question.
Frankly I don't expect Belichick or Brady to have any interest in bringing him or his ego back - I'd expect to see Donte Stallworth get a tryout to see what he's got left in the tank before they bring Moss back (and at age 30, if Stallworth still has decent speed, he might be a more intriguing option as a deep threat than a 34 year old washed up ego driven Moss... though seeing as Stallworth hasn't had a prison or injury free season since leaving the Pats I don't think anyone has any idea what Stallworth could do at this point)
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