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Lawson, Babin, Johnson, Edwards, etc.

Three Years of Pass Rushing Productivity: Edge Rushers | ProFootballFocus.com

Matt Roth ranks in the 3 year catagory.

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Herald says Roth could be best option:

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Calciumee

T-Rex???

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randomk1

From 2008 to 2010 Matt Roth is a top 10 pass rusher in terms of effectiveness??? How exactly do most coaches in the NFL miss that?

They rank Tamba Hali as #6 on their list but wasn't he considered somewhat of a disappointment before this year? When he was converted into a 3-4 olb..


The problem with this list is that profootballfocus doesn't realize that a sack doesn't equal a hurry. There are plenty of guys that can hurry a QB but to actually finish the play...it's a whole different quality of player. By their list i think Jermaine Cunningham would rank among the best OLB last season before his injury. He had plenty of hurries.

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BlueThunder

Staying healthy and getting reps may be all Jermaine needs to get to next level....having a good mentor wouldn't hurt either...but hey, WTF do I know

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It sort of depends exactly which need the Patriots are trying to fill.
They could sorely use a versatile 3-4 OLB who can rush, cover, and set the edge.
They could also use a situational disruptive pass rusher.
Sort of two different roles.

Versatile options:
Manny Lawson - great speed, tall, lean, much lighter than normal Pats OLB's, great coverage (more passes defensed than the next five free agent OLB's combined), in a rotation at SF, improved in 2010
Matt Roth - experienced 3-4 OLB, stout, lacks speed
Mathias Kiwanuka - experienced DE/OLB, local product, good size, injured
Mark Anderson - good size, speed, limited productivity

Disruptive pass rusher options:
Charles Johnson - extremely effective edge rusher, young (24) better in 4-3, very stout, would be third down pass rusher, could set edge, upside
Jason Babin - experienced, burst, quick/agile, 30 years, not used in coverage
Ray Edwards - experienced, perfect size, good rusher, lacks speed

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randomk1

I wasn't saying anything negative about Cunningham. My point was that sacks+hurries+hits= X formula is kind of flawed.

Let's say guy A has 10 sacks, 0 hurrires, 0 hits.

And guy B has 0 sacks, 12 hurries, 2 hits.

By that formula guy B would be the better rusher if they both had equal amount of snaps rushing the passer.

A sack should be worth atleast 3 points or something like that.

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BlueThunder

I hear ya...

What if the hurries caused Int's ? How do you score it?

BTW...I can't imagine a player getting 10 sacks and NO HURRIES or HITS...

I guess as with everything else...Figures don't lie but liars figure ..LOL

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It's more complex than that: after all, I'd argue the best possible result is a sack + forced fumble. But which is better—a straight sack where the opposing team keeps the ball, or a QBH that results in an INT (see: James Sanders v. Colts, where Cunningham was a split second from sacking Manning)?

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randomk1

True but is their list based on that?

They clearly state on that page that they divide the passrushing snaps with the sum of sacks,hurries,hits

Do you honestly think that guys like Roth,Cris Clemons,Jason Babin,Stylez G. White and Charles Johnson are among the best pass rushers from the past 3 years?

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