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Those were an awful lot of extracurricular activities going on by one player. Hardwick has a point that this game was very cheap by Seymore. I'm just surprised that none of these drew a flag. You just can't head slap, jump on someone, shove someone over a pile, or bump QB's and get away with it. It was a hard fought game but these are a bit much.
This happens all the time, on almost every signle play, someone is doing it.
The only one that might have been called was the one on Rivers, but the referee was later quoted as saying he has so much disdain for soccer players that he couldn't throw the flag there because of Rivers' soccer-flop (yeah rght!)
Seriously, Hardwick was the one to complain and the guy that looked at every single one of Seymour's 45 plays said he absolutely never did anything to Seymour.
He did something to Dielman and McNeil. That's it.
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I never thought he was dirty either. it came to a little shock that Hardwick called him out but the ESPN article shows that it was a lot for one player to do in 1 game. I think he's stating that OLinemen have been doing it for years and that the DLinemen are just now fighting back, starting with Sey, but the DLinemen have been doing it also for years. It was a bit much, but I don't think he's a dirty player by any means.
And you don't think Hardwick is exaggerating this since the reviewer didn't see one bad hit on Hardwick? And, Hardwick also exagerated the head butt on the coach?
What are we supposed to think? On two occasions, Hardwick whined about things that didn't happen either to him, nor to the coach.
And you don't think Hardwick is exaggerating this since the reviewer didn't see one bad hit on Hardwick? And, Hardwick also exagerated the head butt on the coach?
What are we supposed to think? On two occasions, Hardwick whined about things that didn't happen either to him, nor to the coach.
no, i know he's overreacting. I don't pretend to know exactly what goes on during the play, I just go by what was said. It takes a lot for a professional to call out another pro player through the media, especially since the particular player hasn't had a history of calling anyone out. I don't think that anyone on here should pretend to know what goes on either. I know that the Chargers may be doing some cheapshots but no one could say for sure. There has to be some sort of validity to his argument. That's all I'm saying.
Also, you seen a total of 6 seconds that was caught on tape. I'll admit, for those 6 seconds I didn't see a headbutt but who's to say that was the headbutt that Nick was pointing out? All I know is that McNeill and Sey was jawing and Sey gets into a coaches face that looks like he was trying to break it up. In fact, the coach was so intimidated by Sey that he had to back up and McNeill had to continue the jawing. I read that Seymour was on the wrong side of the field, somewhere he was not supposed to go, which if true proving that Sey was the starter of the argument because he pursued it. Sey certainly looked like an a-hole to a lot of people around the league but Hardwick looks like a complainer. I would have PREFERED it handled on the field but if he continues at it and doesn't get flagged sometimes you have to go elsewhere. What better way to get the NFL's attention than to bring it to mainstream media?
This happens all the time, on almost every signle play, someone is doing it.
The only one that might have been called was the one on Rivers, but the referee was later quoted as saying he has so much disdain for soccer players that he couldn't throw the flag there because of Rivers' soccer-flop (yeah rght!)
Seriously, Hardwick was the one to complain and the guy that looked at every single one of Seymour's 45 plays said he absolutely never did anything to Seymour.
He did something to Dielman and McNeil. That's it.
It was probably cycling around the sidelines about Sey's antics. The incidents were pointed out to the ref's but it was pretty clear out there that the refs were going to let the players play. That's normally good news but there's a place where you have to take control and send a message that the refs won't let anything like that happen. I usually prefer the flag-less game but it did get out of control in the trenches. It sucks to keep making the same argument but as bad as the refs were on making bogus calls when we beat the Colts it was just as bad when it came to the play of one player. Everyone else played fair and tough, so why did Sey do things so out of character? Rivers was walking forward at the same speed as Sey and Sey quickly stopped and ran into Rivers. Rivers, being the vet QB that he is, of course flopped a little but the shoulder was completely unnecessary and quite frankly stupid because it COULD HAVE drawn a flag. A message should have been sent early to Sey because none of this would have happened if the refs were calling it like any other game.
The incidents were pointed out to the ref's but it was pretty clear out there that the refs were going to let the players play. That's normally good news but there's a place where you have to take control and send a message that the refs won't let anything like that happen. I usually prefer the flag-less game but it did get out of control in the trenches. It sucks to keep making the same argument but as bad as the refs were on making bogus calls when we beat the Colts it was just as bad when it came to the play of one player. Everyone else played fair and tough, so why did Sey do things so out of character? Rivers was walking forward at the same speed as Sey and Sey quickly stopped and ran into Rivers. Rivers, being the vet QB that he is, of course flopped a little but the shoulder was completely unnecessary and quite frankly stupid because it COULD HAVE drawn a flag. A message should have been sent early to Sey because none of this would have happened if the refs were calling it like any other game.
For Pete's sakes will you give it a rest. Stop your crying. We all know your team doesn't like it when other teams get physical. You've explained it a million times. We get it.
We just think it is funny that some teams are afraid of contact. That's why we laugh at the Chargers. They and their fans epitomize southern California. "Mellow out, duuude." You guys are goobers with suntans.
Turns out Shottenheimer was't the reason your team lost in the playoffs, it was the skirts that your team wears.
Playoffs were meant to be physical contests. Lucky your team didn't play the Jaguars. They'd all be on Dr Phil in tears about now.
It was probably cycling around the sidelines about Sey's antics. The incidents were pointed out to the ref's but it was pretty clear out there that the refs were going to let the players play. That's normally good news but there's a place where you have to take control and send a message that the refs won't let anything like that happen. I usually prefer the flag-less game but it did get out of control in the trenches. It sucks to keep making the same argument but as bad as the refs were on making bogus calls when we beat the Colts it was just as bad when it came to the play of one player. Everyone else played fair and tough, so why did Sey do things so out of character? Rivers was walking forward at the same speed as Sey and Sey quickly stopped and ran into Rivers. Rivers, being the vet QB that he is, of course flopped a little but the shoulder was completely unnecessary and quite frankly stupid because it COULD HAVE drawn a flag. A message should have been sent early to Sey because none of this would have happened if the refs were calling it like any other game.
You have no idea if "Everyone else played fair and tough". Furthermore, the notion that Seymour was playing dirty is inaccurate. I do love the feigned indignation about 'bumping', though, considering the prevalence of it in pretty much every football game played. Players push, they go helmet to helmet, they push, they pull, etc.
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For Pete's sakes will you give it a rest. Stop your crying. We all know your team doesn't like it when other teams get physical. You've explained it a million times. We get it.
We just think it is funny that some teams are afraid of contact. That's why we laugh at the Chargers. They and their fans epitomize southern California. "Mellow out, duuude." You guys are goobers with suntans.
Turns out Shottenheimer was't the reason your team lost in the playoffs, it was the skirts that your team wears.
Playoffs were meant to be physical contests. Lucky your team didn't play the Jaguars. They'd all be on Dr Phil in tears about now.
lol. I find it funny that most people from back east think of Californians as soft and think we all live by the beach. Sorry guy, I don't. I was born in Cali but spent a large chunk of my life in Lawrence, Mass. Not a very good place to be. I CHOSE be move back to Cali because I like it better out here. You may think other wise or you may not have been given the option.
Also, I know you want to believe that your Patriots are New Englanders and all but sad to say they really aren't. Most are born on the other side of the country. In fact, Junior Seau was born, raised, and continues to have a house in San Diego, so I guess he's soft too. Maybe he should go surfing and work on his tan instead of being a man huh? lol. Your argument really makes no sense at all. The funny thing is I didn't see the Pats getting physical with the Jags. you spread it out most of the plays and Brady did most of the work.
You have no idea if "Everyone else played fair and tough". Furthermore, the notion that Seymour was playing dirty is inaccurate. I do love the feigned indignation about 'bumping', though, considering the prevalence of it in pretty much every football game played. Players push, they go helmet to helmet, they push, they pull, etc.
I understand that. They go whistle to whistle. So what if it was after the whistle? There is a line that is drawn that everyone, even NE fans, know where it is and when a player crosses that line it's too far. It safe to say that the line is drawn between necessary and unnecessary. By Sey pushing McNeill into the pile did that help stop the RB? nope. By giving Rivers a shoulder shiver does that help his cause? nope. You and I know where the line is drawn and would be talking about how cheap Merriman is if he had done it to Lyte. You would have said he was on his roid rage. But instead, because you won, we're labeled as whiners. Whiners why? Because Sey was accused of taking cheap shots? Did Hardwick claim that's why the Pats won? nope. Are we whiners because you danced on our 50 yard line after a divisional game win and we fought back by calling your team out? I just don't understand the thinking of Patriot fans sometimes.
It was probably cycling around the sidelines about Sey's antics. The incidents were pointed out to the ref's but it was pretty clear out there that the refs were going to let the players play. That's normally good news but there's a place where you have to take control and send a message that the refs won't let anything like that happen. I usually prefer the flag-less game but it did get out of control in the trenches. It sucks to keep making the same argument but as bad as the refs were on making bogus calls when we beat the Colts it was just as bad when it came to the play of one player. Everyone else played fair and tough, so why did Sey do things so out of character? Rivers was walking forward at the same speed as Sey and Sey quickly stopped and ran into Rivers. Rivers, being the vet QB that he is, of course flopped a little but the shoulder was completely unnecessary and quite frankly stupid because it COULD HAVE drawn a flag. A message should have been sent early to Sey because none of this would have happened if the refs were calling it like any other game.
I'm guessing Rivers was talking trash (unbelievable, but possibly true) and Big Sey bumped the bez-natch, and he flopped. I remember Brady returning smack to some Steelers and got bumped, but I certainly don't remember him flopping or anyone whining about the very similar event. Do you?
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