broadwayjoe

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=3210094

I thought this was interesting and subject for debate. I hope our fans enjoy reading this. Go Pats!!!!

BradyFTW!

All in all it's a pretty good article, although I can only hope that the Giants treat Kevin Faulk as though he is the 29th most important player in the game.

I'm also a bit surprised the Rodney is considered less important than Bruschi.

Larry Izzo over Kelley Washington, in particular, seems odd. IMO Washington is the MVP of our special teams by far.

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PatsFanSince74

interesting and a "scout's" perspective, ranking the players from top to bottom. but i find it more interesting to look at how they rank players at each position since the rest is apples and oranges when the players are mixed together. For example, they have the first five DE's, in order, as Umenyiora, Seymour, Strahan, Warren and Tuck. So, they're saying that the best DE in the game is Umenyiora, but that three of the top five are patriots. So, they think that, overall, the Patriots are a bit stronger at this position.

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spacecrime

Here you go. Note how many groups the Pats lead vs the Giants (leader color coded). Also note that WR alternates, meaning our #1 is better than their #1, Our #2 is better than their #2, etc etc


17. C Dan Koppen -- Patriots
25. C Shaun O'Hara -- Giants
62. C Grey Ruegamer -- Giants


8. CB Asante Samuel -- Patriots
31. CB Aaron Ross -- Giants
33. CB Sam Madison -- Giants
34. CB Ellis Hobbs -- Patriots
45. CB Corey Webster -- Giants
54. CB Randall Gay -- Patriots
61. CB Kevin Dockery -- Giants
67. CB R.W. McQuarters -- Giants
95. CB Geoffrey Pope -- Giants
106. CB Antwain Spann -- Patriots


3. DE Osi Umenyiora -- Giants
4. DE Richard Seymour -- Patriots
5. DE Michael Strahan -- Giants
12. DE Ty Warren -- Patriots
16. DE Justin Tuck -- Giants
37. DE Jarvis Green -- Patriots
87. DE Dave Tollefson -- Giants
97. DE LeKevin Smith -- Patriots


11. DT Vince Wilfork -- Patriots
42. DT Fred Robbins -- Giants
73. DT Jay Alford -- Giants
89. DT Russell Davis -- Giants


57. FB Heath Evans -- Patriots
58. FB Madison Hedge**** -- Giants


52. K Stephen Gostkowski -- Patriots
71. K Lawrence Tynes -- Giants


9. LB Mike Vrabel -- Patriots
20. LB Antonio Pierce -- Giants
22. LB Tedy Bruschi -- Patriots
27. LB Adalius Thomas -- Patriots
32. LB Junior Seau -- Patriots
39. LB Kawika Mitchell -- Giants
50. LB Gerris Wilkinson -- Giants
51. LB Reggie Torbor -- Giants
55. LB Larry Izzo -- Patriots
65. LB Eric Alexander -- Patriots
75. LB Zak DeOssie -- Giants
76. LB Pierre Woods -- Patriots
84. LB Chase Blackburn -- Giants
93. LB Tank Daniels -- Giants


79. LS Lonie Paxton -- Patriots

47. NT Barry Cofield -- Giants
86. NT Rashad Moore -- Patriots
103. NT Manny Wright -- Giants


7. OG Logan Mankins -- Patriots
10. OG Chris Snee -- Giants
38. OG Stephen Neal -- Patriots
43. OG Rich Seubert -- Giants
63. OG Russ Hochstein -- Patriots
74. OG Billy Yates -- Patriots
94. OG Kevin Boothe -- Giants


14. OT Matt Light -- Patriots
23. OT David Diehl -- Giants
26. OT Kareem McKenzie -- Giants
36. OT Nick Kaczur -- Patriots
69. OT Ryan O'Callaghan -- Patriots
88. OT Wesley Britt -- Patriots
98. OT Guy Whimper -- Giants
99. OT Adam Koets -- Giants


66. P Jeff Feagles -- Giants
72. P Chris Hanson -- Patriots


1. QB Tom Brady -- Patriots
15. QB Eli Manning -- Giants
91. QB Matt Cassel -- Patriots
92. QB Anthony Wright -- Giants
100. QB Jared Lorenzen -- Giants
104. QB Matt Gutierrez -- Patriots


18. RB Laurence Maroney -- Patriots
19. RB Brandon Jacobs -- Giants
29. RB Kevin Faulk -- Patriots
40. RB Ahmad Bradshaw -- Giants
70. RB Reuben Droughns -- Giants
80. RB Kyle Eckel -- Patriots
101. RB Danny Ware -- Giants


21. S Gibril Wilson -- Giants
24. S Rodney Harrison -- Patriots
35. S James Sanders -- Patriots
46. S James Butler -- Giants
59. S Eugene Wilson -- Patriots
60. S Brandon Meriweather -- Patriots
77. S Willie Andrews -- Patriots
81. S Mel Mitchell -- Patriots
90. S Michael Johnson -- Giants
96. S Ray Ventrone -- Patriots


30. TE Benjamin Watson -- Patriots
49. TE Kevin Boss -- Giants
53. TE Kyle Brady -- Patriots
78. TE Michael Matthews -- Giants
102. TE Jerome Collins -- Giants
105. TE Stephen Spach -- Patriots


2. WR Randy Moss -- Patriots
6. WR Plaxico Burress -- Giants

13. WR Wes Welker -- Patriots
28. WR Amani Toomer -- Giants

41. WR Donte' Stallworth -- Patriots
44. WR Steve Smith -- Giants

48. WR Jabar Gaffney -- Patriots
56. WR David Tyree -- Giants

64. WR Kelley Washington -- Patriots
68. WR Domenik Hixon -- Giants

82. WR Troy Brown -- Patriots
83. WR Sinorice Moss -- Giants
85. WR Chad Jackson -- Patriots

MrBigglesWorth

Spach gets no respect. He was awesome last game.

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Menlo

Couldn't agree more with Adalius Thomas...B U U U S T- Yup thats him!

DaveW

My brother and I consider ourselves fairly knowlegable Pats fans and just looked at each other during the Chargers game saying "Who the hell is Spach?"

Having watched almost every game this season, I don't remember seeing or hearing that name called.

Speaking of names, don't the Giants have some odd ones?
Whimper? Snee?

primetime

Once I got to 4. Richard Seymour, ranked over the two defensive lineman who have been superior to him for 2+ seasons I quit. (Yes, they're 11 and 12, but all three are better than Strahan, and Warren is better than Umeniyora)

Manning would've been about 50 before the playoffs, now he's 15? Totally based on hype, "Scouts Inc." sucks again. (Just so you know I'm not totally biased for Patriots players, Jacobs nor Maroney should be as high as they are, but Jacobs should be ranked over Maroney)

And the fact that Larry Izzo is ranked over Kelley Washington is an absolute travesty. I might sound like a broken record, but Washington is the best STer I've seen since Steve Tasker.

And what the hell is Rashad Moore doing ranked over people who have, you know, actually played in a game? He's certainly shouldn't be ranked over LeKevin, who was kept on the main squad over Moore.

djmika760

Im very surprised that Welker isn't higher up on that list.

DaBruinz

WOW.. Talk about being 100% ignorant.

Thomas isn't a bust and your a fool for saying so.