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slash83 · 01-16-2008, 06:52 PM

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***cstjohn17*** · 01-16-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by slash83

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessi...o&confirm=true

What can you say... this is great stuff. Please send this link to the local and national hacks who could barely identify the most basic of football technique.

Kirwan is the best writer out there.

MrBigglesWorth · 01-16-2008, 07:31 PM

this article is so off base.

1. Merriman minus roids is not the same player.

2. Seriously..do we think LT is gonna be effective? I can see michael turner being mroe effective. if LT miraculously heals in one week then he was a girly man for not going back in.

3. Rodney has taken on great tight ends all season(witten, clark). do we seriously believe gates is gonna shred rodney? rodney didn't get to play in the first game because of his suspension.

4. in the first matchup seymour and harrison didn't play. SD traded for chambers.

I think Kirwan is being ultra conservative. the chargers have a lot of variables to deal with like weather, injuries, travel, full strength of the pats, and dealing with the Pats and their good defense and high powered offense.

the charges need alot of things to go their way and the pats don't give gifts.

Cramden · 01-16-2008, 07:32 PM

Kirwan is a great read and even better on Sirius everyday. Lots of insider knowledge from his days working in the Jets front office.

Cramden · 01-16-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

this article is so off base.

1. Merriman minus roids is not the same player.

2. Seriously..do we think LT is gonna be effective? I can see michael turner being mroe effective. if LT miraculously heals in one week then he was a girly man for not going back in.

3. Rodney has taken on great tight ends all season(witten, clark). do we seriously believe gates is gonna shred rodney? rodney didn't get to play in the first game because of his suspension.

4. in the first matchup seymour and harrison didn't play. SD traded for chambers.

I think Kirwan is being ultra conservative. the chargers have a lot of variables to deal with like weather, injuries, travel, full strength of the pats, and dealing with the Pats and their good defense and high powered offense.

the charges need alot of things to go their way and the pats don't give gifts.

Don't forget we're without Colvin this time too and he was a monster in that first game. Plus his presence allowed Thomas to play inside. He hasn't had the same impact since he started filling in for him.

I think Kirwan is right on in his analysis. I'd be more willing to think blowout too if the D has been generating a few more 3 and outs lately.

***cstjohn17*** · 01-16-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

this article is so off base.

1. Merriman minus roids is not the same player.

2. Seriously..do we think LT is gonna be effective? I can see michael turner being mroe effective. if LT miraculously heals in one week then he was a girly man for not going back in.

3. Rodney has taken on great tight ends all season(witten, clark). do we seriously believe gates is gonna shred rodney? rodney didn't get to play in the first game because of his suspension.

4. in the first matchup seymour and harrison didn't play. SD traded for chambers.

I think Kirwan is being ultra conservative. the chargers have a lot of variables to deal with like weather, injuries, travel, full strength of the pats, and dealing with the Pats and their good defense and high powered offense.

the charges need alot of things to go their way and the pats don't give gifts.

I guess it doesn't matter with his opinion, I respect him because he uses analysis to reach his conclusion instead of writing 'the Pats will win because it is the density' or some other crap. Looking at your list.

1) Merrimen has played well down the stretch and was harassing Manning all game, my guess is the Patriots have prepared for the good Merrimen not the invisible one. Light stood his ground in SD last year, in the cold at Gillette he will be fine.
2) LT may not be effective but Turner or Sproles can step right in. The Pats will blitz a little more this game but will generally stay conservative. The SD is a sitting duck, it doesn't matter who plays.
3) Rodney did great against Clark but not so good against Whitten. If the Patriots play in a nickel package the Chargers will run the ball down their throat, at heart SD is still a power running team.
4) Seymour & Harrison are huge, the weather may keep the Patriots under 30. I don't think his 35-17 score is conservative, I actually expect about the same as Jacksonville - 28-20.

MrBigglesWorth · 01-16-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cstjohn17

I guess it doesn't matter with his opinion, I respect him because he uses analysis to reach his conclusion instead of writing 'the Pats will win because it is the density' or some other crap. Looking at your list.

1) Merrimen has played well down the stretch and was harassing Manning all game, my guess is the Patriots have prepared for the good Merrimen not the invisible one. Light stood his ground in SD last year, in the cold at Gillette he will be fine. I just think the Merriman before roids was unstoppable. post roids he's good, I think he's on the level with colvin maybe a step ahead. real good but not dominating.

2) LT may not be effective but Turner or Sproles can step right in. The Pats will blitz a little more this game but will generally stay conservative. The SD is a sitting duck, it doesn't matter who plays. the question will be... can the pats contain turner. i expect seymour to ahve a big game against mcneil

3) Rodney did great against Clark but not so good against Whitten. If the Patriots play in a nickel package the Chargers will run the ball down their throat, at heart SD is still a power running team.the pats will not be in nickel on early downs. gates will not be a major factor. he won't last the entire game. he might make 2 or 3 catches but he won't be a game changer.4) Seymour & Harrison are huge, the weather may keep the Patriots under 30. I don't think his 35-17 score is conservative, I actually expect about the same as Jacksonville - 28-20.

I think this game could get out of hand if rivers or volek turns the ball over plus he chargers will not be able to keep pace with the pats score for score.

i expect the game plan to be conservative first half and the game will be blown up middle of third.

MrBigglesWorth · 01-16-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cramden

Don't forget we're without Colvin this time too and he was a monster in that first game. Plus his presence allowed Thomas to play inside. He hasn't had the same impact since he started filling in for him.

I think Kirwan is right on in his analysis. I'd be more willing to think blowout too if the D has been generating a few more 3 and outs lately.

I agree on colvin, he's so underated we take him for granted. i hope they bring him back.

the defense was not producing many 3 and out first half going back to the giants game because they were not blitzing until the second half.

i think they might try blitzing 2 or 3 times picking their spots in the first half but for most part being conservative and keeping everything in front of them.

IndyKen · 01-16-2008, 07:57 PM

If you think reading Pat Kirwin is good, it's even better listening to him every day on Sirius Satellite Radio's NFL channel. He's the best there is IMO.

chrisfx811 · 01-16-2008, 07:58 PM

SD can & will implode if they fall behind by 14+ by halftime.
They are an entirely too emotional team.