ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW
Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!
Players would be drafted under the old CBA, and with no new rules. It is really that simple.
An agreement signed after this draft should affect future drafts, not the 2011 draft.
This is an argument that would be made by those who would lose tens of millions by a contract signed after the fact.
The players could win or lose. But the argument will be made, in court.
I DO NOT believe that the owners and players would take this risk.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
I dont understand.
When the CBA is agreed to, assuming it is after the draft, it will include rules for the 2011 season and beyond.
Those players are not part of the union until they sign, so the expired CBA would have nothing to do with them. I guess you could argue the draft takes place under the old CBA, but the old CBA ends there, and does not address rookie salaries in 2011. As I see it they HAVE to address 2011 rookie pay in the new CBA and start the new plan this year, because the old doesnt address what the 2011 rookies pay scale would be.
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!
Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.
NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98
Players would be drafted under the old CBA, and with no new rules. It is really that simple.
An agreement signed after this draft should affect future drafts, not the 2011 draft.
This is an argument that would be made by those who would lose tens of millions by a contract signed after the fact.
The players could win or lose. But the argument will be made, in court.
I DO NOT believe that the owners and players would take this risk.
Assuming there is no new CBA before the draft then it is quite likely the new rules will not take effect until 2012.
That said, the only "aggrieved" players would be the juniors who declared early.
__________________
"Momentum was quickly snatched away by New England, who once again proved that any Patriot, at any moment, can make a play." —Inside the NFL, Packers v. Patriots
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Players would be drafted under the old CBA, and with no new rules. It is really that simple.
An agreement signed after this draft should affect future drafts, not the 2011 draft.
This is an argument that would be made by those who would lose tens of millions by a contract signed after the fact.
The players could win or lose. But the argument will be made, in court.
I DO NOT believe that the owners and players would take this risk.
I think you are wrong. The current CBA calls for a draft, but does not call for rules for pay scales for those players. You are infering that one means the other, but they are different issues.
You are suggesting that players drafted in 2011 should have a pay scale based on 2010 rules? There are no 2011 rules, so you must wait until they set them.
Players would be drafted under the old CBA, and with no new rules. It is really that simple.
An agreement signed after this draft should affect future drafts, not the 2011 draft.
This is an argument that would be made by those who would lose tens of millions by a contract signed after the fact.
The players could win or lose. But the argument will be made, in court.
I DO NOT believe that the owners and players would take this risk.
No, they wouldn't be. The old CBA allowed for their to BE a draft. It ended prior to it and made no stipulation as to what the players drafted would be entitled to...beyond within the context of a league they don't have to choose to play for their rights would be the property of the teams who drafted them. Those teams will not even be allowed to talk to them once they are selected. They are not presently members of the union that agreed to that stipulation as part of an expiring CBA, although they have chosen to take part in the exercise under terms previously agreed to and they won't be members of the union until a new CBA is entered into or signing contracts or playing unless there is an NFL to play for in 2011 which will either be operating under a new or amended CBA or under workplace rules implemented by owners possibly forced by injunction to either operate as 32 seperate entities with no revenue sharing or collective rules or as a collective operating in violation of anti trust laws.
Everybody in North America seems to realize this except you. If a new CBA is agreed upon in July or September rookies will be treated according to it's terms - as will FA and existing players - and they won't have the ability to sue because the CBA their NFLPA entered into precludes that. They do however have the right to walk away...and persue some career other than as an NFL player.
I think this is the part that seems to be confusing some people. As far as I realize, there currently is not a CBA in place right now. Is that true? From what I understand, the CBA expired as of the start of the league year, which was last week. Just because they agreed to extend the discussions, does not mean that they are still operating under the old CBA, hence a rush of deals that took place before it ended last Thursday at midnight (ex: Marcus Stroud). This is why there is no free agency, because there is no CBA. Am I correct in this assessment?
If that is the case, then I would have to agree with you wholeheartedly regarding the future rookie cap rules. This years draft class would either be operating under the NEW CBA which would include the new rookie cap rules, or rules, as you said, that would be in place in case of decertification. Regardless, it certainly seems as though there is no way that any rookie cap rules would resort backwards in time, to an old expired CBA that ended on March 3rd or 4th--especially considering the fact that the new draft picks would have had absolutely nothing to do with the old, prior deal.
To me, it seems pretty cut and dry, but I am not pretending to be an expert either. Maybe you could tell me if I am on the right track, because it seems rather simple. So simple, that I am afraid I am missing something. Lol.
Re: Report: Agreement reached on rookie pay scale
Linear Mode
