Palm Beach Pats Fan

Mike Pereira: Time to change the tuck rule | ProFootballTalk

Of course they show Brady's picture with the article and bring up the Raiders.

Why don't people get it, as Pereira said in 2005, that the rule comes up in games about 12 to 15 times per season and it in no way began or ended with the Raiders-Patriots call, a good call but based an an arguably bad rule. Refs don't get to ignore rules or make up a call to fit their judgement. Call it by the rules, and the competition committee and the NFL alone can change the rules later if they see fit.

2005 article on failed efforts to change the tuck rule: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1401828_2.html

Personally I would be fine with changing the tuck rule. Of course then Raiders fans would spin it as some sort of confirmation of their stance that it was somehow the wrong call.

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BradyManny

I don't have any intrinsic problem with the rule - obviously it benefited us greatly.

But it's not an arbitrary rule - the spirit of the rule, like many in the league, is to benefit the offense by not penalizing the QB for what happens with the ball in the precarious time between a forward pass motion and the securing of the ball.

The end result is a rule that states that once the throwing motion has started, it is not complete until the ball is released or in the case it is not released, the ball is no longer moving forward. It's really not as crazy as people make it out to be. It's obvious the rule hugely favors the offense, but every team has to play by this rule.

ctpatsfan77

FWIW, while it naturally has that outcome, the stated rationale for the rule is a fundamentally valid one: to prevent referees from being forced to divine intent (was he going to tuck the ball or was he going to pass it?).

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DarrylS

Mike Pereira is bored and needs some facetime.. so let's resurrect another Patriot issue.. he might get 35 more twitter followers if he does.

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signbabybrady

The problem with changing the rule is where is the line crossed from a passing motion to a tucking motion.

If you use the Brady play vs the raiders as an example my opinion is that it seemed pretty clear Brady was not throwing the ball but he was in a throwing motion and never even really began much of a tuck so where does one end and the other start.

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Palm Beach Pats Fan

It states more than that. The QB is considered to be making a pass attempt even AFTER the arm has stopped moving forward (even it the forward motion was stopped voluntarily by the QB) until the point at which the ball is "tucked" away i.e. not just in the QB's hand but protected by an arm or by the other hand.

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BradyManny

Good point - and I don't have much a problem with that either -frankly, the rule isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

asfpnepRefugee

To paraphrase Fred Kirsch: "Pereira sucks, merry christmas"

Two Eight

I think the rule is good as is. It helps to eliminate the referee from making a judgement call: at what point in a forward arm motion is a pass no longer possible or likely and did the QB lose control of the ball before that point or after it?

Instead, the way it is, the referee just needs to see forward arm motion at the point of loss of control and it is ruled an incomplete pass. Much less prone to error in judgement, IMO.

Also the fact that it happened in a playoff game at a game changing moment on national TV means that the "tuck rule" will forever be linked with Brady and the Pats. Us Pats fans just have to accept that haters gonna hate. It is what it is.

DW Toys

It was brought up again Sunday by the CBS commentator Team. It should not have mattered. Both QBs were actually hit in the head as they so eloquently stated. In fact, a fifteen yarder should have been the correct call in both cases. Moot point Raider fans. Bogus RTP call? That would have been Karma for the even more bogus RTP call on Ray Hamilton in the Raiders Pats playoff game in 76.

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