So who in the Front 7 is a keeper for next season? - New England Patriots Forums

Fencer · 01-02-2011, 04:55 PM

At ILB, Mayo and Spikes are obviously staying. Guyton has made a lot of plays. Fletcher has come in for high praise. If you want to count White at this position, he's staying too. (5, counting the STer)

At OLB, Cunningham, Ninkovich, and TBC are obviously in the rotation and staying. (3)

On the DL, Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Wright are obviously core players. Brace is surely coming back, and G. Warren seems very likely. (5, and I'm not done yet).

Other guys who've put in good claims for a roster spot include Deaderick, Love, Pryor, and Moore. (4 more, although not all of them have to stay.)

My temptation is to say that among the most vulnerable of the group are the ones of whom one says "If he's in on a running down, the team has a weakness" -- i.e., some of Guyton, Wright, Pryor, and Moore, specifically the least established of those, namely Pryor and Moore. It's also not obvious that Love or Fletcher have played except on a "last man standing" basis. So I see Love, Fletcher, Pryor, and Moore as the most likely to not make the team next year, with others being more at risk of being bumped down the depth chart at worst, rather than outright cut/left off the team.

My total list was 16 regular-downs guys plus one pure STer. That's about as high as the headcount is apt to get for the Front 7; indeed, I'd expect it to be about 1 lower. So it looks like there really are only 3 or so jobs up for grabs.

By way of comparison, new on or around Opening Day this year were, from memory:

White
Spikes
Cunningham
G. Warren
Deaderick
Love
Not yet Fletcher (PS)

I don't recall Crable or McKenzie as belonging on the list.

How'm I doing?

***DaBruinz*** · 01-02-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fencer

At ILB, Mayo and Spikes are obviously staying. Guyton has made a lot of plays. Fletcher has come in for high praise. If you want to count White at this position, he's staying too. (5, counting the STer)

At OLB, Cunningham, Ninkovich, and TBC are obviously in the rotation and staying. (3)

On the DL, Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Wright are obviously core players. Brace is surely coming back, and G. Warren seems very likely. (5, and I'm not done yet).

Other guys who've put in good claims for a roster spot include Deaderick, Love, Pryor, and Moore. (4 more, although not all of them have to stay.)

My temptation is to say that among the most vulnerable of the group are the ones of whom one says "If he's in on a running down, the team has a weakness" -- i.e., some of Guyton, Wright, Pryor, and Moore, specifically the least established of those, namely Pryor and Moore. It's also not obvious that Love or Fletcher have played except on a "last man standing" basis. So I see Love, Fletcher, Pryor, and Moore as the most likely to not make the team next year, with others being more at risk of being bumped down the depth chart at worst, rather than outright cut/left off the team.

My total list was 16 regular-downs guys plus one pure STer. That's about as high as the headcount is apt to get for the Front 7; indeed, I'd expect it to be about 1 lower. So it looks like there really are only 3 or so jobs up for grabs.

By way of comparison, new on or around Opening Day this year were, from memory:

White
Spikes
Cunningham
G. Warren
Deaderick
Love
Not yet Fletcher (PS)

I don't recall Crable or McKenzie as belonging on the list.

How'm I doing?

Fletcher isn't eligible for the practice squad. He's played in more than 9 games. Neither are Love or Deaderick.

White is a UFA. I hope the Pats sign him to an extension because he's be the clear leader of the special teams unit. Something we haven't had since Izzo left.

To be brutally honest.. I don't see TBC making the roster next year if the Pats draft another OLB, which I believe they will. He's just not been that good. Ninkovich has made huge leaps in his ability and I think is much more solid as an OLB than TBC. And Moore brings more to the table than TBC does.

The front 7 takes up 16-18 spots on the defensive side of the roster.

D-Line: Ty Warren, G. Warren, V. Wilfork, Pryor, Deaderick, Love, Brace
OLB: Cunningham, Moore, Ninkovich, PTBN
ILB: Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher

ST: White*

Players outside looking in: Cohen, Wright, Weston, Richard, TBC

Now, the reason I list Wright where I do is because of his injury situation. The fact that it's been 6 weeks and he's not recovered doesn't bode well for a concussion. They are very tricky things.. He could recover and win his job back.. He could also never play another snap again.. OR, He could be the 17th player in the front 7 that the Pats keep.

Fletcher has been very good on special teams and has improved weekly when he's seen regular snaps..

MustaphaM0nd · 01-02-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fencer

At ILB, Mayo and Spikes are obviously staying. Guyton has made a lot of plays. Fletcher has come in for high praise. If you want to count White at this position, he's staying too. (5, counting the STer)

At OLB, Cunningham, Ninkovich, and TBC are obviously in the rotation and staying. (3)

On the DL, Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Wright are obviously core players. Brace is surely coming back, and G. Warren seems very likely. (5, and I'm not done yet).

Other guys who've put in good claims for a roster spot include Deaderick, Love, Pryor, and Moore. (4 more, although not all of them have to stay.)

My temptation is to say that among the most vulnerable of the group are the ones of whom one says "If he's in on a running down, the team has a weakness" -- i.e., some of Guyton, Wright, Pryor, and Moore, specifically the least established of those, namely Pryor and Moore. It's also not obvious that Love or Fletcher have played except on a "last man standing" basis. So I see Love, Fletcher, Pryor, and Moore as the most likely to not make the team next year, with others being more at risk of being bumped down the depth chart at worst, rather than outright cut/left off the team.

My total list was 16 regular-downs guys plus one pure STer. That's about as high as the headcount is apt to get for the Front 7; indeed, I'd expect it to be about 1 lower. So it looks like there really are only 3 or so jobs up for grabs.

By way of comparison, new on or around Opening Day this year were, from memory:

White
Spikes
Cunningham
G. Warren
Deaderick
Love
Not yet Fletcher (PS)

I don't recall Crable or McKenzie as belonging on the list.

How'm I doing?

The only people whose jobs are really safe next year are Wilfork, Cunningham, Mayo, and Spikes. BB will do what it takes to upgrade this football team.

RayClay · 01-02-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

To be brutally honest.. I don't see TBC making the roster next year if the Pats draft another OLB, which I believe they will. He's just not been that good. Ninkovich has made huge leaps in his ability and I think is much more solid as an OLB than TBC. And Moore brings more to the table than TBC does.

I wasn't going to say it but...Moore seems to want it and he's physical. TBC seemed tremendous statistically last year but he looks like a permanent spin move to nowhere this year. I don't see them drafting big at olb/de due to bust potential, but they will continue to add vets or acquire affordable players until one or more sticks IMO.

Won't even guess on DL. Since i think they go all out for a monster DL if available in the draft, you have a hopefully recovered Ty, maybe Gerard and Brace and the draft pick.

If so, I think the opposite, Fencer. Rather than an "almost as good as" DL, probably a change of pace rushing DL like Pryor will make it.

Brandon_Cox · 01-02-2011, 05:33 PM

I'm looking for my main man Darryl Richard to make the team and be a star.

(OK, I might have an ever so slight Georgia Tech bias

).

MustaphaM0nd · 01-02-2011, 05:38 PM

I wasn't going to say it either, but TBC might be a goner. Ninkovich and Cunningham have clearly surpassed him at OLB, and Moore has been more effective as a sub rusher. Committing rash penalties at bad times more than once this year won't help either. He's also tying up a lot of cap space for a player of his impact.
At this point anyone young we pick up over the offseason who can't beat him for a roster spot next season doesn't deserve to be on the team.

crowell33 · 01-02-2011, 05:39 PM

FWIW, it seemed that #98 Moore was lining up at OLB today.

Fencer · 01-02-2011, 05:53 PM

So the argument is that the OLB/nickel DE group will be Cunningham/Ninkovich/Moore/Somebody Else, and the Somebody Else will be a high-upside young guy rather than TBC?

I can see the logic in that. TBC has had a rough season. On the other hand, who has BB ever had as a high-pick draftee who's ever worked smoothly into the role? My list is approximately Jermaine Cunningham, Willie McGinest (whether or not he predated BB/Parcells by a year), and Lawrence Taylor, which is not exactly a large group.

PATSYLICIOUS · 01-02-2011, 05:53 PM

I'd think Pryor is definitely in the keeper list. Not sure what to think of Deadrick's chances next year. Kind of discouraging he hasn't been able to get many snaps down the stretch with all the DL injuries there are. At the same time, way too early on him as we saw with Brace's progress to year 2. I'd imagine there will be a pick spent on the DL to push him for one of the last few spots or [hopefully] a stud like Seymour/Warren/Wilfork. Also expect a pick at OLB to at least compete with TBC/Moore at that position. ILB seems pretty set as is.

mcsully · 01-02-2011, 06:02 PM

I know its early to say but whats the over/under on Ty Warren staying with the team next year?

Brace looked solid and much improved.. G. Warren is a nice surprise.. Pryor and Deadrick have take minor steps in the right direction. With that being said, if we use a high pick on a DL, what the answer to my initial question.