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sebman2112 · 12-24-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Hobbs is regressing as a player. I used to think he could be a very good player, and had gotten into arguments with some friends who thought he stunk. He played well in the AFCCG last year, but I think that's masked some of his deficincies. I've never seen a corner play so far off a reciever at the line of scrimage. He seems to get toasted a lot, and never looks very fluid when the ball is thrown to his reciever. He's average at best.

That's scheme related, and Asante plays just as far off at times. I'm not saying Ellis hasn't had some troubles in coverage this year mind you, just that you and other posters using his distance from the LOS against him don't know what you're talking about.

In my opinion he's a better Man CB, and better when they let him jam, but NE's usually always playing some form of a soft zone this year, which plays into Asante's strengths, and Hobbs weaknesses. We'll see what happens in 2008 and how NE uses him, as I highly doubt Asante's a 2008 Patriot.

In this current Patriots defensive scheme I'd agree that his play has been decent (with some good performances thrown in), but I think he can be a good CB given time, especially if they give him more man assignments.

sebman2112 · 12-24-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Sorry but I can't drink the koolaid on this one. Hobbs looks like a mediocre corner that gets burned fairly frequently. Maybe there's a reason that defenses decide to test Hobbs instead of Samuel... it's called attacking the weakest link in the defense. Sometimes I wonder if Gay wouldn't fare better out there. The Pats need to sign a decent FA corner or draft one to develop in 2008.

Gay got burned pretty badly for two TD's against the Eagles, and unlike others on this board, he hasn't shown me anything at all that would suggest he's better than Hobbs. Sorry, I just don't see it, and think people are reaching tremendously.

***Dragda*** · 12-24-2007, 12:49 PM

Hobbs is good in our system. He misses a few plays, but isn't horrible by any stretch. He's not the same kind of player as Asante regardless of what other's in this thread have stated. Asante reacts to the ball whereas Hobbs reacts to the receiver. If you are expecting Hobbs to be a league leader in ints, you are probably wrong.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 12-24-2007, 12:53 PM

A lot of newer members like to toss around the anti-koolaid defense, perhaps if they paid attention to the guy who serves it to wash down his humbel pie they could engage in rational discussions. It doesn't matter what your eyes see if your brain doesn't understand what it's looking at - let alone on broadcast feeds without access to game plans and assignments. Makes it hard to have an informative discussion with any of you that doesn't descend into your ultimately self absorbed I know what I see...

I'd love to lock a few of you in the film room with the Belistrator and watch him make you acknowledge just how little you actually grasp.

sebman2112 · 12-24-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

Hobbs is good in the regukar season. I think receivers catching the ball around him is a result of zone coverage.

He absoultely steps up in big games and I think he's been picked on for PI calls much like Asante was picked on in the Denver playoff game. Hopefully he gets his respect soon by the refs.

This is correct, Hobbs had played better in big games. For the most part when he's faced guys like Reggie Wayne, and Lee Evens he's held his own (he shuts down Lee Evans), so I believe he's still got some potential to tap, and could improve over the next few years.

patsox23 · 12-24-2007, 12:56 PM

I've been a pretty big Hobbs basher. I think he is ****y AND regressing, which is not my favorite combo. However, I think I'm spoiled a bit by Asante and Ty Law, and Hobbs is probably closer to league-average for a #2. Combine that with the fact that teams throw ALL their passes his way - b/c of Asante more than Ellis - and I should be less pessimistic.

Having said all that, I think he plays too soft in coverage, but that it's undeniable that BB likes him more than Randall Gay and has shown no impulse to yank Hobbs despite #27 giving up 99% of big pass plays this season (it FEELS like it, anyway). Overall, he's probably solid and I should cut him some slack. In any case, I DO think he has potential to be better than he's been this year, especially considering he was better LAST year, imo.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 12-24-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragda

Hobbs is good in our system. He misses a few plays, but isn't horrible by any stretch. He's not the same kind of player as Asante regardless of what other's in this thread have stated. Asante reacts to the ball whereas Hobbs reacts to the receiver. If you are expecting Hobbs to be a league leader in ints, you are probably wrong.

Asante has missed a few in the last couple of weeks, too. Some of his were costly (although not in a game losing sense...). As others have said as well, one is more suited to man coverage and the other to zone. Some fans have a preference, but too many here just perfer the coverage that works. Same deal as with critics of the offense...

sebman2112 · 12-24-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.

Hobbs has given up some receptions he shouldn't have this season, and he's had some off games, but I honestly think you haven't the slightest clue about what it means to get "toasted" Hobbs hasn't been toasted on a regular basis, and you're living in another reality of you truly believe this.

It's alright though, as you're just moving on to the next target after Maroney's performance these past few weeks.

PATSYLICIOUS · 12-24-2007, 01:03 PM

he's been solid for us, and did a great job for us against the colts in the afc championship last year.

anybody looking for more out of him at this point in his career is just gettin greedy. asante was always pretty solid but didnt really break out till his 4th season

***MoLewisrocks*** · 12-24-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

I've been a pretty big Hobbs basher. I think he is ****y AND regressing, which is not my favorite combo. However, I think I'm spoiled a bit by Asante and Ty Law, and Hobbs is probably closer to league-average for a #2. Combine that with the fact that teams throw ALL their passes his way - b/c of Asante more than Ellis - and I should be less pessimistic.

Having said all that, I think he plays too soft in coverage, but that it's undeniable that BB likes him more than Randall Gay and has shown no impulse to yank Hobbs despite #27 giving up 99% of big pass plays this season (it FEELS like it, anyway).

How did you feel about Asante in 2005 - his third season - when he appeared to regress from his 2004 performance? Ever wonder why Ellis got the starting nod at LCB coming off TC in 2006 in what would have been only his first full season, and only deferred to Asante after he broke his wrist (though he still did ok in spite of that at RCB with a little nickle thrown in 'til he adjusted to covering WR's with his hand in a cast all season long). It was because Asante is a ballhawk and unless they make the pick, and their teamates can cover their play, they cost you big time.