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. our line has played very well but i think warner as much as anyone should know QB's can get their line into good situations and protections just like manning does with his line.
well exactly my point. both vick and ben roethlisberger make their oline look worse than it is.it cant be that the pats oline is physically stronger than any other line in the league but snap counts and changing protections are something QB manages which helps the line which i think vick being out of the game for an yr + has yet to completely come to terms with yet
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Brady has taken a beating in several games this season. Against the Lions he was crushed in every single dropback in the first half and that didn't get to him, they adjusted and blew them out. Vick has a pretty good OL too, but he has no pocket presence and is a running QB, so of course he'll be tackled much more than Brady.
As I'm sure a lot of you know, ProFootballFocus has Brady at #2 (behind Rodgers) for MVP, and he was #4 last week and not in the top-10 for a while. One of the PFFers was on John Rooke's Patriots Playbook on Wednesday, and then on Thursday, Rooke had this to say about PFF:
These guys are absolutely out of their freaking gourds. And they're actually trying to perpetrate this slop on the football-consuming public. Frankly, anybody who has a subscription is wasting their money, because it makes no sense. They are are robbing you blind if you have a subscription. And I'm saying this knowing that they put our link to this broadcast up on their web page today. Okay? Robbing you blind.
Since people love using the Matt Cassel argument against the Patriots, didn't Kolb lead Philly to a win over 12-3 Atlanta? How can Vick be the most valuable player when his backup can lead the team to a victory over the best team in the conference?
Both Brady and Vick have had amazing years, but I agree with whoever said Brady for MVP but Vick for offensive player of the year.
I don't agree at all that Vick is offensive player of the year. This is an award where cumulative stats mean everything, and he's missed soon-to-be FIVE games! No way he should draw consideration.
To me the offensive player of the year boils down to three players. Manning, Brady, and Rivers.
Manning will likely end up with around 4800 yards and 33 TDs, 17 INTs.
Rivers will likely end up with 4700 yards and 33 TDs 12 INTs.
The BIG difference here: Rivers averaging 8.7 ypa; Manning averaging 7.0 Colts get slight edge for making the playoffs, but that isn't what this award is about. I have to take Rivers over Manning.
Brady vs. Rivers. Rivers will throw for about 1000 yards more than Brady on a much higher ypa. Brady has made much fewer mistakes, but much fewer yards.
Tie, with Rivers getting OPOY since Brady will win MVP.
I just watched the video with Warner. Is he always that dense? Or was he just trying to stir conversation? Sounded like a guy who should be stocking shelves in a grocery store ...
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I haven't read all 398 posts, but whatever "Vick-Brady" MVP debate ever existed was, IMO, a media creation both to build some suspense around the selection and to hype the Vick "redemption" story (which story I won't believe until Vick has proven that he has truly changed for more than a couple of carefully-orchestrated years).
In any case, whatever debate there may have been came to an end with Vick's performance against the Vikings on Tuesday.
If you're a Pats Fan and superstitious, this all may end up in the category of "Be careful what you ask for, as you just might get it."
The NFL MVP hasn't been on the winning side in an SB since the 1999 season (Warner). In the intervening ten seasons, the League MVP has appeared in half of the big games, losing all five times (Warner 01, Gannon 02, Alexander 05, Brady 07 and P. Manning 09).
It is what it is. It wasn't what it wasn't.
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