Question for Those Who Don't Care About a Perfect Season... - Page 6 - New England Patriots Forums

MrBigglesWorth · 12-18-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Keegs

16-0 is worthless if the pats don't win the superbowl.

It immediately goes from a great achievement to a huge embarrassment. that is why

I don't understand how people don't get this. The superbowl win means everything, everything else is less important.

bingo, that's all you'd hear all offseason... it would be cheating and being undefeated and losing in the playoffs.

Satchboogie3 · 12-18-2007, 08:42 PM

I think the problem here is the misuse of the term "perfect season". A perfect season, or undefeated season, means we win every game we play. The only way to have a perfect season is to win all 19 games. Thats it. If we go 16-0 and lose in the playoffs, it wasn't a perfect or undefeated season...

onegameatatime · 12-18-2007, 09:16 PM

It's not clear to me that the Pats need to make a choice. yes, playing everybody risks injuries, but not playing people risks readiness and edge. In the past, BB has played his starters most of the way through games. I especially remember a game against the 49ers where TB played 3 quarters.

I heard Parcells talk about this and he thought you do not coach to avoid injuries, you coach to win every game. If a player is a gameday decision, I could see resting him, but otherwise, go for the wins.

aluminum seats · 12-18-2007, 09:53 PM

Some good responses here--I think it's an interesting topic, because it gets to why we're fans in the first place. Why do we care? I'm going to respond to a couple of posters, but first I want to clarify something that I think most got but a few still didn't. I never talked about "16-0" or a perfect "regular" season--this is about a PERFECT SEASON. That means win 'em all, Super Bowl included.

I'll address some specific things, but a question raised by more than one poster I'll get to now: if the Pats lose to the Giants (nobody brings up the Dolphins--no offense, Miami) would I be disappointed? Some say they would not be at all. I would, and I can't imagine how you'd feel otherwise.

aluminum seats · 12-18-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Because you have a shot at undefeated every season. Once a Superbowl run ends you can never get it back.

If this team goes 16-1, the season will be the single most disappointing/devastating blow in franchise history. If they go 17-2 and win the Superbowl, the championship will overshadow what might have been - at least for rational honest to god fans. Sure, the bandwaggoners will begin to kvetch, probably within minutes of the win, but that's because they are never really truly satisfied with anything this team does. Don't kid yourself, if they go 19-0 they will still find something or things to biatch about within 24 hours...

In fact if they go undefeated this year and win the Superbowl, the bandwaggoners will expect that to be the new gold standard, which will really suck here...

The goal for each NFL team and it's fans at the beginning of the season is winning the Lombardi. Anything else they manage to do individually or collectively is just gravy. Too many here are all caught up in fanboy bragging rights, and they have lost sight of what the goal is and who achieves that goal. It's the players, and they do it to win a championship as a team - we fans are just lucky to be along for the ride, and should be as humble as this team and grateful for all they have done and continue to do that makes us feel so special some of us have lost sight of the goal...

The first line here doesn't make any sense--just like you have a chance at an undefeated season every year, you have a chance at the Super Bowl. It's just that the chance at undefeated comes along FAR less often.

As to "fanboy bragging rights" I think another poster got it right--that doesn't mean much one way or the other. ALL rooting for sports teams can be reduced to that, including winning Super Bowls. You root for a team, you want them to do well. I guess that makes us all "fanboys."

aluminum seats · 12-18-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bbabin

Personally, I regard myself as a full out Patriots FAN (fanatic). Of course I want them to be the best, most dominant team ever. I want them to play their best game every week and have 10 perfect seasons in a row. Winning the superbowl is part of the perfect season as mentioned by the original poster. I also don't understand why anyone wouldn't want the patriots to win it all. I think they are the best team and should be regarded as that.

I'm always confused by the posters here who say things like:

"Let's take it one game at a time,"

"It's too early to think about the draft,"

etc.

We are just fans, we are not on the team and we can get greedy and get our hopes up and want our team to break every record and win every game and win the superbowl x years in a row. I really don't understand the problem with this.

I pretty much agree with every word of this.

This is what I mean--just like we root for Super Bowls, we should root for the perfect season. If we're fans, that's what we want! We want dominance, excellence, on as grand a scale we can have it.

jct · 12-18-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aluminum seats

This question isn't meant in a hostile way, I'm really just curious. I've seen folks here periodically mention that they don't care about/don't feel that a perfect season really matters, etc. My question is: why does a Super Bowl matter then? I mean, if you think about it, none of this stuff really "matters," right? Plenty of people don't follow sports at all.

For those of us that do, though, something like your team winning Super Bowl is kind of a big deal. You feel joy, vindication...."your" team won something permanent, and lasting. But if that matters, doesn't something as amazing and historic as a perfect season matter too? Or really, matter more? SOME team HAS to win the championship every year, in every sport. It has to happen. No team has to be perfect, of course. In fact, some thought it might never happen again--and it still hasn't happened. But if it does, that's a big deal.

So to those who don't care--what's the distinction you're drawing? Note that I'm not asking this to those who say the pursuit of the perfect season might harm the Pats' chances of winning it all. If they don't win it all, by definition they won't be perfect. The question is directed to those who just don't think a perfect season matters: why not?

Great Question, I really like the way you looked at it.
I agree.

NEGIRLPATSFAN · 12-18-2007, 11:53 PM

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