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Old 12-17-2007, 06:21 PM   #1
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When Washington blocked the punt, it looked like a Jets player recovered the ball... So, if a punt is blocked, does the ball automatically go the receiving team regardless of who recovers it? I haven't seen that before, and I've always assumed that however recovers the ball, it's that teams ball... Clarification, please?!?!?
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:23 PM   #2
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4th down turnover on downs
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When Washington blocked the punt, it looked like a Jets player recovered the ball... So, if a punt is blocked, does the ball automatically go the receiving team regardless of who recovers it? I haven't seen that before, and I've always assumed that however recovers the ball, it's that teams ball... Clarification, please?!?!?
I beleive it becomes a loose ball, but it the JEST had recovered it, they'd have had to gotten 1st down yardage in order to keep it. On a blocked punt , it would almost never happen though.
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Ah, now that makes sense... Thanks...
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I beleive it becomes a loose ball, but it the JEST had recovered it, they'd have had to gotten 1st down yardage in order to keep it. On a blocked punt , it would almost never happen though.
Thanks.. That had been bugging me... Thanks for clarifying...
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Sweet block he has been a beast on "ST".....I think he earning a spot for '08...
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It was a good block, if not a little unexpected... He really shined on Sunday in ST...
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if you wanna get technical,
once the ball is touched by the punter's foot, it is considered a punt. once it is considered a punt, the the offense cannot advance the ball, only lose yardage. so if a punt is blocked, and the punters foot touched the ball, the punting team cannot recover and run for a first down, only secure the ball and turn it over where the ball is recovered. however, the opposite is true in that if the punter does not touch the ball with his foot, the ball can be advanced to the first down marker to get a new set of downs. also, if one were to punt or kick on 3rd down for some reason (ive seen kicks), once the ball is touched with the foot, your set of downs is over. so if you had a blocked punt or kick on 3rd down and you recovered it, you cannot get another shot even though you still would have 4th down. you just turn it over.
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if you wanna get technical,
once the ball is touched by the punter's foot, it is considered a punt. once it is considered a punt, the the offense cannot advance the ball, only lose yardage. so if a punt is blocked, and the punters foot touched the ball, the punting team cannot recover and run for a first down, only secure the ball and turn it over where the ball is recovered. however, the opposite is true in that if the punter does not touch the ball with his foot, the ball can be advanced to the first down marker to get a new set of downs. also, if one were to punt or kick on 3rd down for some reason (ive seen kicks), once the ball is touched with the foot, your set of downs is over. so if you had a blocked punt or kick on 3rd down and you recovered it, you cannot get another shot even though you still would have 4th down. you just turn it over.
I'm pretty certain this isn't correct. Kicks from scrimmage (punts and field goals) are live balls if they hit a defender before the line of scrimmage and do not pass the line of scrimmage before they are next touched. At the point, the kicking team can recover, advance the ball, pass the ball, or rekick the ball. If the line of gain isn't made, it's either the next down, or if the kick (as is usually the case) was on fourth down it's a turnover on downs.

Punts that are blocked but make it past the line of scrimmage are treated like any other punt. If they are touched by the non-kicking team, it's a live ball (or "muff") and may be recovered by the kicking team. A kicked ball that is blocked that goes past the line of scrimmage and is touched by the kicking team is dead there, just as on any punt.

Perhaps are you thinking of the rule that says a ball recovered by the kicking team past the line of scrimmage can't be advanced?

A blocked punt that does not make it past the line of scrimmage is totally fair game. See number 4 in this link from the NFL's digest of rules. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kicksfromscrimmage

Edit: Just a statistical point of interest regarding this rule: The block of the jets punt actually goes down statistically as a turnover on downs.

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once the ball is touched by the punter's foot, it is considered a punt. once it is considered a punt, the the offense cannot advance the ball, only lose yardage.
Close. I believe once a kick (punt or FG) crosses the LOS, possession effectively changes. You can advance a block as long as it hasn't crossed the LOS. Once it crosses, if the kicking team touches the ball first it is considered an "illegal touching" penalty. The penalty is just change of possession at that spot so it is rarely called as such.

This is why you sometimes see the situation where a member of the kicking team touches a punt (but doesn't down it) and a member of the return team charges in to try to advance the ball. There is no downside to the returning team since even if they fumble, they get the ball back because of the "illegal touching" penalty.

A situation I've never seen before is a team kicking a FG on 3rd down and getting it blocked. If the ball doesn't go past the LOS and the kicking team recovers, do they get to try another kick? I think that they do but I've never seen it happen.
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