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Balance? Counting up til the score was 20-3 (since its pretty stupid to keep throwing with that big a lead) the ratio of pass to run is 36:13. That's as lopsided as it gets, and this was with a lead. Teams usually have that kind of pass-dominated offense when trailing.
Don't kid yourself, the pats running game exists because teams must respect the pass.
Our team hasn't played on Thanksgiving day in a long time, and we just had a game four days ago prior to that. That game was your team's superbowl and you know it- there's no other game where you guys are on the national platform, that's something you need to face up to.
You guys came out with all cylinders firing, we came out very slow and sluggish, but once we got going, we laid the wood on you pretty bad.
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Congratulations. You almost lost to Shaun hill until Alphonso smith single handedly gave you the game
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Balance? Counting up til the score was 20-3 (since its pretty stupid to keep throwing with that big a lead) the ratio of pass to run is 36:13. That's as lopsided as it gets, and this was with a lead. Teams usually have that kind of pass-dominated offense when trailing.
Don't kid yourself, the pats running game exists because teams must respect the pass.
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Ausbacker, a three to one pass to run ratio is not balanced. Calling me a child, idiot, or bleacher whatever still makes your point completely wrong.
Look at the drives, the run was used sparingly and only with success after the pass was was established. Take the blinders off, the patriots can not just line up and start running the ball down the throat of the defense to start. If Brady gets the passing game firing then teams will back off to respect the pass and the running game opens up, not the other way around. I don't need t watch every play of every patriot game to differentiate a run from a pass, i don't have down syndrome after all..
By the way, a RB reception out of the backfield is a passing play, not a run.
Is there seriously a LIONS fan trolling on a Pats fans messageboard? Tell me I'm not seeing things...
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Ausbacker, a three to one pass to run ratio is not balanced. Calling me a child, idiot, or bleacher whatever still makes your point completely wrong.
Look at the drives, the run was used sparingly and only with success after the pass was was established. Take the blinders off, the patriots can not just line up and start running the ball down the throat of the defense to start. If Brady gets the passing game firing then teams will back off to respect the pass and the running game opens up, not the other way around. I don't need t watch every play of every patriot game to differentiate a run from a pass, i don't have down syndrome after all..
By the way, a RB reception out of the backfield is a passing play, not a run.
What other games would you like referenced that stipulate the Patriots can run the ball?
I would deem the Jets, Chargers and Browns as unacceptable rushing performances. That leaves 8/11 performances to an acceptable level to compliment the passing game, the passing game that is clearly the Patriots mantra. Multiply the short passing game with the inclusion of our backs and all of a sudden the ability of our backs to catch passes and rush becomes more important and more impressive.
You must be epically stupid to think a passing play to a RB = a rush. I included that to show you that Brady was utilizing the backs in the passing game and took approximately a 3rd of his yards from scrimmage. It amazes me that some people think teams don't scheme a top 5 QB of all time knowing what he can do with the pass, so much so that they abandon run defense against the Patriots and we still have this ridiculous winning record in a pass first offense that apparently can't run.
Feel free to apologize on your way out as the door smacks you straight in the fanny you obvious troll.
Why is everything trolling to patriots fans? A moderator has already checked my post history and said I was kosher.
Very well then...
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Congratulations. You almost lost to Shaun hill until Alphonso smith single handedly gave you the game
...is a troll. No matter how you cut it, that's a troll. The team didn't "almost lose" to Shaun Hill. No team that wins by 21 points ever "almost loses" to one single person. Furthermore, when the opposing team's quarterback puts up a perfect passer rating, no single person on your team "single handedly gave them the game".
As for the balanced attack, the numbers have already been posted. The Patriots fell behind by two TD's early in the game. Why would anybody in their right mind expect the run to pass ratio to be balanced? At that point, you're playing catch up and it makes sense to put the ball in the hands of your Hall of Fame quarterback. As has been shown by ausbacker, once the Pats got back into the game, the run to pass ratio was far more balanced than you're making it out to be. Taking the numbers from the game as a whole without considering how the game ended up going down from the get-go is simply poor logic and bad form. Anything else?
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No one here is arguing the Patriots can't run the ball at all. All we are saying is that this team has yet to show they can come out intent on the run first and foremost and succeed. Aside from the Colts game, in which they had success in doing so, they have come out throwing the football first and running later. You have the best QB in the league, why would you plan to run on the Jets especially since they have such a great defensive front?
I'm still waiting for the example of a game in which the gameplan was to run the ball against a good defense and we succeeded.
And one more thing, it's pretty sad to see people resorting to calling other posters "trolls" and whatnot just because they have a dissenting opinion. I don't care if the dude is a Lions fan, he is just making his point in a respectful manner, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
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The game was close with the Lions leading at points going into the fourth until Smith gave up 3 td. Win by 21, 3 td = 21 points.
Wrong again. The game was tied at 24-all going into the fourth quarter. You guys got shut out in the 4th quarter. And, with the way Brady was throwing, and with our offense able to have balance once again, it was only a matter of time before the Pats took the lead for good... Smith or no Smith. Once again, Brady had a PERFECT PASSER RATING in that game. Are you going to try to make a case that it was ALL Alphonso Smith?
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While i think its real important they get 3-4 yards on first down runs, tom brady is the best player on this team..put the ball in his hands
TFB and defense will be keys to winning. NY is tough against the run and I don't see us getting much yards there...Of course, we need to run to mix it up and set up the pass...but our success will come thru the air...Our D will need to play their best game as well....
No one here is arguing the Patriots can't run the ball at all. All we are saying is that this team has yet to show they can come out intent on the run first and foremost and succeed. Aside from the Colts game, in which they had success in doing so, they have come out throwing the football first and running later. You have the best QB in the league, why would you plan to run on the Jets especially since they have such a great defensive front?
I'm still waiting for the example of a game in which the gameplan was to run the ball against a good defense and we succeeded.
And one more thing, it's pretty sad to see people resorting to calling other posters "trolls" and whatnot just because they have a dissenting opinion. I don't care if the dude is a Lions fan, he is just making his point in a respectful manner, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
When Brady is playing the way he's been playing over the last 7 game stretch, why would it make sense to come out with the running game first and foremost unless you're going up against a run defense like the Colts have? Our biggest weapon is our quarterback. We paid him $100M. Therefore, the team is a pass first offense. But, with a pass first offense, we've still be remarkably balanced. Especially so after the Moss trade.
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While i think its real important they get 3-4 yards on first down runs, tom brady is the best player on this team..put the ball in his hands
TFB and defense will be keys to winning. NY is tough against the run and I don't see us getting much yards there...Of course, we need to run to mix it up and set up the pass...but our success will come thru the air...Our D will need to play their best game as well....
No one here is arguing the Patriots can't run the ball at all. All we are saying is that this team has yet to show they can come out intent on the run first and foremost and succeed. Aside from the Colts game, in which they had success in doing so, they have come out throwing the football first and running later. You have the best QB in the league, why would you plan to run on the Jets especially since they have such a great defensive front?
I'm still waiting for the example of a game in which the gameplan was to run the ball against a good defense and we succeeded.
And one more thing, it's pretty sad to see people resorting to calling other posters "trolls" and whatnot just because they have a dissenting opinion. I don't care if the dude is a Lions fan, he is just making his point in a respectful manner, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
Perhaps you can go hold his hand and skip through he fields staring at daisies and enjoy the sunset together then?
The Patriots are a pass first offense and have been for some time. You can argue all you want about the use of the run game but when you have a HOF QB and excellent passing game it makes no sense to run first. I have never intimated the Patriots should abandon the pass for the run simply to prove that point. The point is the Patriots can run the football and they can run it well where necessary. That's something you refuse to accept.
The Patriots ran the ball well in 8 of 11 games this season, especially the Vikings and Steelers (TWO RUN STOPPING DEFENSES). There must be a reason BJGE is performing well in RB metrics this season.
As you seem intent on ignoring that statistic be my guest to yourself.
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