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Tell that to Texans fans who think the refs were just cheating to help the Pats lol.
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A QB can stay in the pocket, fire the ball 10 yards over the receiver's head into the end zone bleachers, and no penalty for grounding. A QB can clear the pocket, then throw it away over the sideline benches....no call again.
The "benefit of the doubt" is given to the QB all over the field. It may be designed this to "protect" the passer, but a residual effect is to keep the flow of the game moving forward.
The uncatchable throw.....lots of elements for the one ref to process. First, the ref has to see the interference infraction. Then the ref has to move his line of sight to the ball. Then the ref has to determine if the QB altered his pass based on the contact. Then. they must decifer if the ball was in the air before contact? To get it right, the refs may need to consult three different officials to determine act, intention, timing. Too much
And lets not forget the safety issue....do DBs get free shots at WRs on overthrown balls.
Too much. The lack of calls in recent years shows me that the league wants to keep it simple. Worry about the contact....unless it is so egregious.
all good points except perhaps (to the best of my knowledge) the highlighted statement....
I believe contact before the ball is released is "ILLEGAL CONTACT" and classified as "PASS INTERFERENCE" when the ball is in the air. Therefore, it PI is called that must mean the pass has already been thrown and the contact could not have influenced the QBs throw.
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all good points except perhaps (to the best of my knowledge) the highlighted statement....
I believe contact before the ball is released is "ILLEGAL CONTACT" and classified as "PASS INTERFERENCE" when the ball is in the air. Therefore, it PI is called that must mean the pass has already been thrown and the contact could not have influenced the QBs throw.
Immediately correcting myself. I suppose the player could have committed the foul before AND after the ball was in the air. In which case PI would have been called but it's possible the initial foul influenced the throw.
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To the poster's point I do recall finding it silly when the Pats were the benficiaries of a PI call in our home game against the Bills. Remember when Brady heaved a deep ball OUT OF THE END ZONE and yet Lloyd still drew the PI flag?
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Tell that to Texans fans who think the refs were just cheating to help the Pats lol.
Like I said, we talked about these rules on our board.
For example, there was a play when one of our guys made a text-book tackle on a returner in another game, and I mean a text-book tackle.
With the new rule, they can call it a spear or a very close to helmet rule.
Our guys, Brandon Harris, came in on a return coverage, made a wrap up tackle, but he was deemed in violation if the rule because his helmet hit the neck area if the returner.
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In the old days, that was clean clean clean.
Now, they take away a good play to "protect" guys.
Many of us agreed that was within the rule to call it.
But it was like playing flag football to call such a penalty.
Also like when a QB makes a bad thrown that hits his own lineman. The lineman gets called for the 'illegal touching'.
FWIW, I believe this rule has been changed so that it only counts as illegal touching if the ineligible lineman actually makes an attempt (or maybe succeeds?) to catch the ball. Merely hitting a lineman accidentally, IIRC, no longer counts.
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The Texans rely on lateral movement in their zone-blocking scheme, and they try to cut guys to the ground. By the fourth quarter, a big defensive lineman who’s been repeatedly cut to the ground can grow awfully tired.
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The difference is that Brady calmly calls audibles while Manning flaps like a chicken, barks 11 code words, and makes sure every camera in the stadium has documented his once-in-a-generation (and patented, I believe) ability to see a defensive formation and change the play. Both have the same effect, but Manning transcends measurable human intellect while Brady merely chooses a different play.
Is that when you throw your body down in front of the person basically? What differentiates a chop block from a cut block?
__________________ Ice_Ice_Brady writes:
The difference is that Brady calmly calls audibles while Manning flaps like a chicken, barks 11 code words, and makes sure every camera in the stadium has documented his once-in-a-generation (and patented, I believe) ability to see a defensive formation and change the play. Both have the same effect, but Manning transcends measurable human intellect while Brady merely chooses a different play.
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