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Old 11-21-2010, 07:21 PM   #1
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Default Gee, I guess sacks and a pass rush aren't that overated

Freeney's sack, the Colt's pressure in the 2nd half and Cunningham's final rush were all game momentum changers.

Why do we not incorporate it more?

In Manning's case, I was saying we should try more all out pressure.

It's the difference between dying slowly or dying quickly.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:22 PM   #2
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Default Re: Gee, I guess sacks and a pass rush aren't that overated

We don't have Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.
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Freeney's sack, the Colt's pressure in the 2nd half and Cunningham's final rush were all game momentum changers.

Why do we not incorporate it more?

In Manning's case, I was saying we should try more all out pressure.

It's the difference between dying slowly or dying quickly.
incorporate doesnt mean that rushing more than 1 will result in a sack. its hard to sack manning ...they pressured him more than i thought they would frankly
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Default Re: Gee, I guess sacks and a pass rush aren't that overated

The Colts have a solid offensive line, and Manning has a quick release. If the risk/reward associated with blitzing doesn't work out to Belichick, I'm okay with it.
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incorporate doesnt mean that rushing more than 1 will result in a sack. its hard to sack manning ...they pressured him more than i thought they would frankly
Not sacking. Rather put pressure on Manning to throw faster than he wants. That's what other teams do to Manning. Look at what happens when you do not pressure him. He scores 14pts really fast. When he was pressured by Cunningham, he lobbed the ball, and Sanders got the INT.

Manning and Brady are pocket QBs. If you blitz them and pressure them, they will make mistakes.

Patriots have not still have not played well in the 4th quarter. They need to improve on this, or they won't go far in the playoffs. Scoring little and allowing TDs in the 4th can only go so far...

I am really worried about the Jets game. Pats do not do well in the 4th quarter, when the Jets are 4th-quarter miracle-workers..
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Not sacking. Rather put pressure on Manning to throw faster than he wants. That's what other teams do to Manning. Look at what happens when you do not pressure him. He scores 14pts really fast. When he was pressured by Cunningham, he lobbed the ball, and Sanders got the INT.

Manning and Brady are pocket QBs. If you blitz them and pressure them, they will make mistakes.

Patriots have not still have not played well in the 4th quarter. They need to improve on this, or they won't go far in the playoffs. Scoring little and allowing TDs in the 4th can only go so far...

I am really worried about the Jets game. Pats do not do well in the 4th quarter, when the Jets are 4th-quarter miracle-workers..
Are you familiar with the phrase, "easier said than done?"
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Freeney's sack, the Colt's pressure in the 2nd half and Cunningham's final rush were all game momentum changers.

Why do we not incorporate it more?

In Manning's case, I was saying we should try more all out pressure.

It's the difference between dying slowly or dying quickly.
I don't think it is quite as simple as saying extra pressure = success.

Sometimes that extra pressure doesn't get there in time, or at all.

The result is often one of those TD highlight passes to Wayne or whomever.

Thing is the DB ends up getting the blame rather than the extra pass rusher on those plays.


If extra pressure was always a positive and never a negative then every team would bring extra pressure on every snap. Unfortunately it's not quite that simple.
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Not sacking. Rather put pressure on Manning to throw faster than he wants. That's what other teams do to Manning. Look at what happens when you do not pressure him. He scores 14pts really fast. When he was pressured by Cunningham, he lobbed the ball, and Sanders got the INT.

Manning and Brady are pocket QBs. If you blitz them and pressure them, they will make mistakes.

Patriots have not still have not played well in the 4th quarter. They need to improve on this, or they won't go far in the playoffs. Scoring little and allowing TDs in the 4th can only go so far...

I am really worried about the Jets game. Pats do not do well in the 4th quarter, when the Jets are 4th-quarter miracle-workers..
Relax, yeah the Pats D played a lot better when they put pressure on Manning, but when you have a 17 point lead with 9 minutes left, that just isnt the way to play D. Doing that you increase the chance of a score in minimal time, like a long bomb. Playing prevent, atleast prevents this and takes some time off the clock.

On the other hand BOB deserves some criticism for the play calling on the drive that started with 9 minutes left. The pass on 1st down was not the right call at all, atleast when Brady saw the blitz coming he could have audible'd to a run. Then with the incompletion on 1st down, you are stuck on 2nd and 3rd down and end of up with a 3 and out taking around a minute off the clock.

I wouldnt really worry about the Pats play in the 4th quarter. Last week vs. the Steelers didnt mean much, that was all garbage time. This week its really tough to criticize when you are going against Manning, one of the best QBs in the league.

As for the Jets, game that will be a very good and entertaining game and the winner of that will most likely win the AFC East
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It seemed like the Colts D started blitzing more in the 4th quarter and we struggled against that.
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Play coverage, get toasted. Be aggresive and give yourself a shot. Hopefully they figured that out today. Fine let Big Ben feel like a hero and go up and down the field. When it's Peyton Manning your just asking for trouble.
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