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primetime · 11-30-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dakevdude

Wow...what's with all the Favre hating...I'm not a Brett Favre fan...being from Minnesota and all...but atleast give the old man props for being one of the elite QBs in the league for the last two decades...

I'll give him an elite QB in the league in the last decade. Or at least for about three years or so. But he hasn't been top 5 since 1998, until this year. And we saw this year's Favre exposed as a fraud against the Packers' first true test last night.

makewayhomer · 11-30-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by primetime

I'll give him an elite QB in the league in the last decade. Or at least for about three years or so. But he hasn't been top 5 since 1998, until this year. And we saw this year's Favre exposed as a fraud against the Packers' first true test last night.

I agree with most of this, but I'll add that the ability to stay healthy and productive is a skill in itself. he's been very good at this.

I probably quibble with your definition of "elite" though. to me "elite" is top 5ish. from 6-12 or so is "good/above average". 13-22 is "average", and past there below average and real bad

primetime · 11-30-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

I agree with most of this, but I'll add that the ability to stay healthy and productive is a skill in itself. he's been very good at this.

I probably quibble with your definition of "elite" though. to me "elite" is top 5ish. from 6-12 or so is "good/above average". 13-22 is "average", and past there below average and real bad

Sometimes too good. I think playing through pain was one of the things that killed his game, at times. Throwing a football with a hairline fracture in your wrist like he did for about two years straight? Yeah, the fortitude of mind is remarkable, but it had to take something off his game.

As for the second part, I think you simply misunderstood me. The poster above said he had been elite for the "past two decades." He certainly hasn't been elite this past decade, so it had to have been in the last one. It was a confusing part to my post. Wish I had clarified that. I certainly don't believe Favre has been an elite QB over the past decade; nor do I think he was for much more than a few years.

Patriots4Life83 · 11-30-2007, 01:06 PM

You guys are nuts. Favre isnt overrated, his numbers speak for themselves. YOu dont hold every passing record by being a mediocre QB who was just good at not getting hurt.

Everyone acts like there can only be one good QB in the league.

tuckeverlasting · 11-30-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

I agree with most of this, but I'll add that the ability to stay healthy and productive is a skill in itself. he's been very good at this.

I probably quibble with your definition of "elite" though. to me "elite" is top 5ish. from 6-12 or so is "good/above average". 13-22 is "average", and past there below average and real bad

especially when you have vicodin helping. for favre, mvp means more vicodin please.

makewayhomer · 11-30-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tuckeverlasting

especially when you have vicodin helping. for favre, mvp means more vicodin please.

and for Rodney it meant HGH.

all of these guys try to get an edge however they can, it's just that some get caught

Patriots4Life83 · 11-30-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by primetime

I'll give him an elite QB in the league in the last decade. Or at least for about three years or so. But he hasn't been top 5 since 1998, until this year. And we saw this year's Favre exposed as a fraud against the Packers' first true test last night.

A fraud??? Give me a break. Was Marino a fraud because he couldnt win the Superbowl? Was Unitis a fraud because he lost to Namath? Was Brady a fraud last year because Manning beat him?

tuckeverlasting · 11-30-2007, 01:14 PM

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and for Rodney it meant HGH.

all of these guys try to get an edge however they can, it's just that some get caught

rodney's not hanging his hat on an artificially induced consecutive games streak.

newton_tom_cat · 11-30-2007, 01:17 PM

[QUOTE=Patriots4Life83;655200]You guys are nuts. Favre isnt overrated, his numbers speak for themselves. YOu dont hold every passing record by being a mediocre QB who was just good at not getting hurt.
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how do these #'s speak to you?

Most Passes Had Intercepted, Career
283 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2007 YTD
277 George Blanda, Chi. Bears, 1949, 1950-58; Baltimore, 1950; Houston, 1960-66; Oakland, 1967-1975
268 John Hadl, San Diego, 1962-1972; Los Angeles, 1973-74; Green Bay, 1974-75; Houston, 1976-77

makewayhomer · 11-30-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tuckeverlasting

rodney's not hanging his hat on an artificial induced consecutive games streak.

I'm not sure what that means.

anyways, as a fan of a team you want your best players on the field as much as possible. Favre has been the best QB in Green Bay since the mid 90's or whatever, and he has played a lot and he deserves a lot of credit for that.

ditto for Peyton and Brady. look at how often most QB's go down.

be thankful thats yours is healthy and has a seeming knack to avoid bad injuries (some luck, some skill)