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Old 11-21-2007, 02:16 PM   #21
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Default Re: OK, how would you try and stop the Pats?

[QUOTE=PatsWickedPissah;639231]Why not do what Brady said the Colts did that caused the Patriots offense lots of problems?

The Colts had a good pash rush. They committed to the rush. /QUOTE]

b/c it's nearly impossible to do. if you were going to build a defense to stop the Pats, I think it would actually look a lot like the Colts. they have 2 great ends to pressure the QB, and can generate a pass rush with 4. then drop a bunch of fast, good cover guys into coverage.

this worked really well for 3 quarters, we had done very little. but then they tired and we made some adjustments.

the Giants are another team who can generate a pass rush with 4 with their "4 Aces package".
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:17 PM   #22
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Default Re: OK, how would you try and stop the Pats?

Who said it was 'easy' to do?
You know there IS a reason the Pats are undefeated.
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Mess them up. If the Pats are playing the Jets in NY, Make them believe the game is in Oakland somehow.
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Mess them up. If the Pats are playing the Jets in NY, Make them believe the game is in Oakland somehow.
I just hope that Tangini is not reading this and geting ideas. With Goodell a Jets lover, it wouldn't be surprising to see the venue changed and 'mistakenly' the Pats never informed untill early game day. Brilliant, Jack my man!
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Most of those stats are garbage time running stats. Or when we are up by a large margin. It should concern you. This team has not ran the ball as the main offensive focus at all. Which is fine. We should stick with what is working.

When the weather gets bad we will see how it goes.
Could you please PROVE that most of those stats are garbage time stats? Or are you just spouting off hoping no one calls you on it? How about I help you out.. I'll give you the LINKS and you just have to break down further the 2nd half yards into what was garbage time and what wasn't.

http://www.patriots.com/schedule/

Game 1 - NY JETS http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...J_Gamebook.pdf

1st half Rushing - 65 yds 2nd half rushing - 69

Game 2 - Chargers http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...E_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 45 yards 2nd half rushing - 100 yards

Game 3 - Bills
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...E_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 108 yards 2nd half rushing - 69 yards rushing

Game 4 - Bengals
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...N_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 97 yards 2nd half rushing - 76 yards rushing


game 5 - Browns
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...E_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 65 yards 2nd half rushing - 82 yards rushing


Game 6 - Cowboys
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...L_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 14 yards 2nd half rushing - 61 yards rushing


Game 7 - Dolphins
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...A_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 55 yards 2nd half rushing - 29 yards rushing


Game 8- Redskins
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...E_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 81 yards 2nd half rushing - 71 yards rushing


Game 9 - Colts
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...D_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 65 yards 2nd half rushing - 40 yards rushing


Game 10 - Bills
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...F_Gamebook.pdf

1st half rushing - 29 yards 2nd half rushing - 98 yards rushing

1st half rushing totals: 624 yards
2nd half rushing totals: 695 yards

I would say that the likelihood that all but 71 of the yards in the 2nd half were in garbage time is remote. That would make your premise that most of the rushing yards were gained in garbage time false.

I look forward to your explanation.
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How are they garbage time stats? Do you have a breakdown, or are you guessing at that?
What is our yards per rush in the first half vs the 2nd? Behind or ahead by 14 or less vs ahead by 14+?

This team has not TRIED TO run the ball as the main offensive focus. That is not a negative. We have run the ball very effectively. We are on the way to being the highest scoring offense ever. To say we should be concerned about the 5th ranked running game, because you want us to be, with nothing to back it up, is lame.
Based on what I looked up, AJ, Danny88 was just guessing. While there were more yards run for in the 2nd half of games (624 to 695) I doubt that there were only 71 yards gained in "non garbage time" of 2nd halfs of games. However, I am looking forward to Danny88's reply..
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Lame huh? Ok Einstein. Tell me what the pats do if faulk is hurt , maroney is banged up and its snowing like a bastard vs the colts?

If you dont think we have a slight concern with the run game you are to much of a homer to see why anyway. The pats running game is one injury away from being ultra thin. Maroney has proven to be inconsistant and injury prone this year. If faulk goes down there are issues.
They run Heath Evans and Kyle Eckel. 2 big RBS who may only get 3 yards and a cloud of dust early, but will surely wear down a defense later in the game.

BTW, What would the Colts be doing? They rely on the Passing game too, you know.

OH, and did you actually watch the SNOW BOWL? I did. Brady was still PASSING the ball.

You keep making these half-arsed statements with little proof to support you. Yes, we all know that there are issues if Faulk goes down. Many of us stated that PRIOR to the season starting when the Pats didn't have Eckel on the squad.

However, both Evans and Eckel have been running better of late.

So, you go ahead and give yourself a heartattack by playing the WHAT IF game until you are blue in the face. But if you are going to do it, at least get your facts in order.
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BB made mention of this on WEEI this week that the snow is less a factor on the passing game compared to wind. In fact it's probably easier. As he pointed out it's harder to get a pass rush in the snow & the CBs would have a harder time making cuts in the snow.
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BB made mention of this on WEEI this week that the snow is less a factor on the passing game compared to wind. In fact it's probably easier. As he pointed out it's harder to get a pass rush in the snow & the CBs would have a harder time making cuts in the snow.
yeah I heard this. though this is mostly b/c of the effect that rain & snow have on grass, as opposed to field turf (imo). I mean wet turf is worse than regular turf, but a muddy/wet (formerly grass) field is way way way way worse than a dry grass field
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BB made mention of this on WEEI this week that the snow is less a factor on the passing game compared to wind. In fact it's probably easier. As he pointed out it's harder to get a pass rush in the snow & the CBs would have a harder time making cuts in the snow.
Well said. I wish more 'Pats fans' would pay attention to what BB says. Of course, he's fallable but at least use his position as a reference point and then show why he's wrong.
Fans concerns about the running game are valid in very windy conditions. But I say that Eckle and Evans are adequate bangers; our offense could use them if Maroney's not good to go on a windy Dec-Jan game day. Faulk woud be a great change of pace RB as always.
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