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Old 11-20-2007, 08:06 AM   #21
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Last time I checked neither beli not scott was perfect. This is an Internet forum for fans to discuss the pats. That includes criticism. Our running game is nothing spectacular considering the O we have.

I get it , we are just supposed to sit around patting ourselves on the back all day long
Nope. No one is saying that. What people like myself and Deus Irae are saying is that you have to put things into perspective and look at the whole picture. Something that you insist on NOT doing.

The Pats running game is 4th in the league when you include all the kneel downs. When you ignore the runs by the QB, the Pats running game has 288 rushes for 1271 yards. That a 4.41 YPC. Only our #2 FB has a YPC less than 3. Faulk, Maroney and Morris have YPC at 4.5 or greater.

So, how do you figure that the running game isn't good?

Could there be an issue? Yes. One that was being pointed out by myself and others before the season started. I was concerned with the depth because of Faulk's injury history. Because Maroney was coming back off a serious shoulder injury. The one good thing was that Morris had never been injured.. Well, he got injured.

And, before you go claiming that Morris was just a JAG, Morris, when given the chance to start, played extremely well. Both in Miami and in Buffalo. The problem was that in both places, they looked at him as a complimentary back and not a full time starter. Which isn't a bad thing.
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:15 AM   #22
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Nope. No one is saying that. What people like myself and Deus Irae are saying is that you have to put things into perspective and look at the whole picture. Something that you insist on NOT doing.

The Pats running game is 4th in the league when you include all the kneel downs. When you ignore the runs by the QB, the Pats running game has 288 rushes for 1271 yards. That a 4.41 YPC. Only our #2 FB has a YPC less than 3. Faulk, Maroney and Morris have YPC at 4.5 or greater.

So, how do you figure that the running game isn't good?

Could there be an issue? Yes. One that was being pointed out by myself and others before the season started. I was concerned with the depth because of Faulk's injury history. Because Maroney was coming back off a serious shoulder injury. The one good thing was that Morris had never been injured.. Well, he got injured.

And, before you go claiming that Morris was just a JAG, Morris, when given the chance to start, played extremely well. Both in Miami and in Buffalo. The problem was that in both places, they looked at him as a complimentary back and not a full time starter. Which isn't a bad thing.
I dont think we have a bad running game. I do think it is not as powerful as the stats imply though. I just dont see that explosive running game Maroney was supposed to bring us. Things can get bad fast. Faulk goes down and Maroney gets dinged we are screwed. I love Sammy. Shame he got hurt like he did.

I am not advocating the trade of Maroney. Dont think he is a bust. I do think we need to draft a pure pounder next year. Maroney has a lot talent but IMO he is a injury concern. Maroney, Morris ( insert pounder) and Faulk on third down would make a perfect platoon for us I think.

I would never burn a top pick on a back. I am talking using Oaklands pick type of deal. Depending on what we get when we trade out this year of course.


Maybe the kid from Oregon?

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Old 11-20-2007, 08:24 AM   #23
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Weaknesses are relative to the opposition. If the Colts still had Freeney and the Pats had to play them in Indianapolis, we could talk about relative weaknesses. But Freeney is out and the Colts will have to come to Foxboro if they even get that far.

With the exception of that game, the Pats have crushed the competition every week. No other team right now is close.

Barring significant injury, this team has no weaknesses that any other team is in any position to exploit.

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Patriots weaknesses?

Lack of depth at linebacker and especially cornerback:

Asante Samuel
Ellis Hobbs
Randall Gay
???????????

The aforementioned three defensive backs better stay healthy for the remainder of the season.
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Patriots weaknesses?

Lack of depth at linebacker and especially cornerback:

Asante Samuel
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Randall Gay
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Randy Moss!
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I dont think we have a bad running game. I do think it is not as powerful as the stats imply though.
I just dont see that explosive running game Maroney was supposed to bring us. Things can get bad fast. Faulk goes down and Maroney gets dinged we are screwed. I love Sammy. Shame he got hurt like he did.
You seem to be back-pedalling now. Your previous post said that the Patriots would be screwed if they had to rely on the running game. Now you are throwing in all sorts of stipulations (Maroney going down, faulk getting hurt).

The Pats wouldn't be screwed. They'd be in a bad situation. But one they've been in before and had success with. And their WRs weren't nearly as good then as they are now.

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I am not advocating the trade of Maroney. Dont think he is a bust. I do think we need to draft a pure pounder next year. Maroney has a lot talent but IMO he is a injury concern. Maroney, Morris ( insert pounder) and Faulk on third down would make a perfect platoon for us I think.

I would never burn a top pick on a back. I am talking using Oaklands pick type of deal. Depending on what we get when we trade out this year of course.


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You were advocating using the top pick on McFadden.. Now you are backtracking and saying to use a later pick..

They Pats could, very well, draft someone next year. They could also acquire someone like Mewelde Moore, Justin Fargas, or Fred Taylor. None of that matters in the now, though.

For now, the Pats have Faulk, Maroney, Evans and Eckel. Faulk didn't as a precautionary measure because of the leagues new rules on concussions. Maroney was left on the bench to keep him healthy since the game was more than well in hand.
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Backup quarterback. One injury and the Pats go from "all world"

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You guys are all missing the obvious weakness:

The Pats don't have the refs on the payroll like some teams do.

The one game where the Pats were threatened this year had more to do with consistently biased officiating than with anything else. I think the refs are the one thing that can stop this juggernaut.
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yes the Biased officials don't like the pats.

that is the weakness. it's a pretty big one too.
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You seem to be back-pedalling now. Your previous post said that the Patriots would be screwed if they had to rely on the running game. Now you are throwing in all sorts of stipulations (Maroney going down, faulk getting hurt).

The Pats wouldn't be screwed. They'd be in a bad situation. But one they've been in before and had success with. And their WRs weren't nearly as good then as they are now.



You were advocating using the top pick on McFadden.. Now you are backtracking and saying to use a later pick..

They Pats could, very well, draft someone next year. They could also acquire someone like Mewelde Moore, Justin Fargas, or Fred Taylor. None of that matters in the now, though.

For now, the Pats have Faulk, Maroney, Evans and Eckel. Faulk didn't as a precautionary measure because of the leagues new rules on concussions. Maroney was left on the bench to keep him healthy since the game was more than well in hand.
Once again you have the wrong guy. I was saying NOT to pick Mcfadden. You must not have read a single post I made about it yesterday.

Instead of sitting around trying to prove things I said wrong , or trying to call me out on things I said in the past ( which you are not very good at because I never said to pick up Mcfadden). Why dont you just respond to the post at hand. Clearly you dont follow my posts as you are pretty much making up things I said.

Seems like you are a very insecure man.

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