Holding Calls?!! - New England Patriots Forums

abdul7 · 11-12-2007, 02:23 PM

Did anyone see that holding call against the Giants on the touchdown run that was called back against Dallas ? Now i am becoming more and more paranoid about these calls because one cannot challange these calls and i swear i see holding all the time in soo many games that dont get flagged. The holding call mentioned above was so min. that i just dont know when is holding really holding anymore . Your thoughts.
ps. Buffalo game live here 4.15 am ! Another sleepless enoyable night i cant miss.

Nordy · 11-12-2007, 02:24 PM

If it's the play I think you're talking about, it was a hold.

Ishdul · 11-12-2007, 02:25 PM

I didn't see the game but eventually the NFL is going to have to let teams challenge penalties.

letekro · 11-12-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishdul

I didn't see the game but eventually the NFL is going to have to let teams challenge penalties.

Then you'd just be substituting one idiot's judgment for another's. Judgment calls will never be reviewable, becuase they are always "arguably" correct.

Ishdul · 11-12-2007, 02:34 PM

Penalties aren't all judgment calls, though, or at least aren't much different than the determination of whether someone had possession of the ball. I doubt you'd ever see anyone challenge an Unsportsmanlike or anything like that, I mean more challenging total phantom calls.

Nordy · 11-12-2007, 02:36 PM

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Penalties aren't all judgment calls, though, or at least aren't much different than the determination of whether someone had possession of the ball. I doubt you'd ever see anyone challenge an Unsportsmanlike or anything like that, I mean more challenging total phantom calls.

Most penalties most definitely are judgment calls. Can you imagine if every penalty was reviewed? Do we really need the game slowed down that much?

Ishdul · 11-12-2007, 02:50 PM

By definition, things like False Start and Delay of Game aren't judgment calls. There's a certain amount of interpretation with stuff like PI and holding, but it's the same with every call that can be reviewed and if they go by the incontrovertible evidence rule than it would be very rare to see anyone challenge all but the surest of bad calls. Every penalty wouldn't be reviewed, just like how not every completion, fumble and spot of the ball is reviewed. They'd still go by the Challenge System.

***Deus Irae*** · 11-12-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishdul

By definition, things like False Start and Delay of Game aren't judgment calls. There's a certain amount of interpretation with stuff like PI and holding, but it's the same with every call that can be reviewed and if they go by the incontrovertible evidence rule than it would be very rare to see anyone challenge all but the surest of bad calls. Every penalty wouldn't be reviewed, just like how not every completion, fumble and spot of the ball is reviewed. They'd still go by the Challenge System.

The challenge system already sucks. Let's not make it worse.

Ethan 55 · 11-12-2007, 03:00 PM

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Most penalties most definitely are judgment calls. Can you imagine if every penalty was reviewed? Do we really need the game slowed down that much?

I've always hated this argument. How would allowing for the challening of penalties lead to a huge increase in challenges? You still get the same number as before.