tombonneau

Ok, this isn’t meant to be a whiner post complaining about how much the Pats suck and how awesome the Jets are. But dating back to the middle of last year, I had to start wondering how the Jets went from a below average D to one of the best in the league in just one season. Meanwhile, the Pats have been fielding the same average to slightly-above-average defense for the last 4-5 years.

When you look at the players, the Jets clearly have an advantage in a few areas, but it’s not like they have overwhelming better players (at least IMO). Which leads me to believe it’s more scheme based than anything else.

What do you all think? Again, I’d like this to be a legit forum of discussion. So please let’s not derail this with “The Pats D did enough to win, Brady sucked” discussion (if it can be called “discussion”). I’m more interested in comparing the two defenses and what it is the Jets do so different/better and if we think the Pats will look to incorporate some of their concepts or stick with the status quo.

The Dynasty

Players. The Jets have much better players on defense than the Patriots. Simple as that.

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The Brandon Five

Maybe because their scheme doesn't suck?

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DefenseRules

I think they have a better players and a much better scheme, IMHO.

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Playing to win vs Playing not to lose
Forcing a mistake vs Hoping other QB makes a mistake
Attack vs React

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Garbanza

It's talent. The Jets have more talent right now.

The Pats used to always beat teams that had more "talent" because they played smarter, disciplined football on defense. Now, not so much.

Manning's Pick 6

I would have to say for the most part it's the players as well. Between '01 -'05 the Pats had the best front 7 in league. They played Belichicks 3-4 about as well as you can play it. They also had much better DB's (Law, Harrison) then they have now.

Our outside LB's are not even close to what they were. Our inside LB's are good but are not the playmakers we used to have. The D-Line is not even close to what it was, and same goes for the DB's.

Hopefully the young players pan out but there will definately be some growing pains like we saw yesterday.

Rex Ryan is one of the top Defensive coaches in the league, and he is a big part of the Jets defensive success, but they clearly have better players on D then the Pats.

DefenseRules

Maybe we just don't have the right players for the scheme. Just a thought.

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DefenseRules

I'll say this. If Butler plays that bad against Buffalo next weekend, they had better take him off the field.

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tombonneau

Interesting that the majority are thinking more player vs. scheme. (Probably should have made this a poll ...)

I also agree that maybe we don't have the right players for the scheme BB wants to run.

Which begs the question: Is he trying to fit square pegs into a round hole? Should BB consider a shift in philosophy to accommodate the current players?