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It always matters. When a player gets hit in the air, he has to maintain possesion when he goes to the ground. CJ didn't do that.
Right, but his feet hit the ground and he was fully in control of the ball. He established possession before the ball hit the ground.
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No, the play was over when CJ had his ass o. The ground, nevermind the feet
At the point when he sits down the ball is firmly in his hand, play over, TD
No, he doesn't. You have to maintain possesion until you finish going to the ground. Seriously, watch the play again. I thought exactly the same as you when I watched it the first time.
Right, but his feet hit the ground and he was fully in control of the ball. He established possession before the ball hit the ground.
No, he didn't. If a reciever is touched by a defender in the air, and goes to the ground, he does not establish possession until he has control of the ball on the ground.
The way I saw it, he was down by contact (Intentional, or not, there was contact) he maintained posession of the ball, albeit in one hand and then his knee hit the ground BEFORE the hand with the ball did. IMO posession was maintained and it was a touchdown.
Again, possesion isn't accomplished when he hits the ground. Read the rule.
The player has to keep the ball AFTER HE HITS THE GROUND. It doesn't matter when the knee hits the ground in relation to the ball. All that matters is he was still rolling when the ball hit the ground and came out.
This is exactly the same as every other time a reciever catches the ball in the air, hits the ground, and the ball pops out. It happens 10 times a game, and is called the same exact way every single time.
To quote the rule:
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if a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass, he must maintain control of the ball AFTER he touches the ground
You can dislike the RULE all you want, but it was absolutely called correctly.
Again, possesion isn't accomplished when he hits the ground. Read the rule.
The player has to keep the ball AFTER HE HITS THE GROUND. It doesn't matter when the knee hits the ground in relation to the ball. All that matters is he was still rolling when the ball hit the ground and came out.
This is exactly the same as every other time a reciever catches the ball in the air, hits the ground, and the ball pops out. It happens 10 times a game, and is called the same exact way every single time.
Yes; but the rule is stupid! That is what people are arguing! That common sense would say it was a TD, but the rulebook says it isn't!
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This is exactly the same as every other time a reciever catches the ball in the air, hits the ground, and the ball pops out. It happens 10 times a game, and is called the same exact way every single time.
I'd agree with you - but that's not how this specific play transpired. You are alluding to and comparing it to plays which are different. This was a very unique play.
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if a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass, he must maintain control of the ball AFTER he touches the ground
Johnson had touched the ground and maintained control of the ball. After that, his arm swung down and hit the ground. He touched the ground before that act. Which, admittedly, was wholly unnecessary on Johnson's part. Literally every part of Johnson's body had hit the ground save for the hand with the ball in it - and he had 100% control over the ball all the while. Nowhere in the rule does it say the entirety of the body must touch the ground for it to be a catch. If it did, we'd get into absurdity where a player would have to basically smother the ground while maintaining control of the ball. I bring it into hyperbole here, obviously, but you get my point. He had control, he'd touched the ground, with all the parts of the body part which - in any other play - deem a player "down".
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I'd agree with you - but that's not how this specific play transpired. You are alluding to and comparing it to plays which are different. This was a very unique play.
Watch the play I linked to above. Its exactly what happens. He hits the ground rolling, his arm comes down and the ball hits the ground and pops out. its one fluid motion. Hes never sitting on the ground.
Johnson had touched the ground and maintained control of the ball. After that, his arm swung down and hit the ground. He touched the ground before that act. Which, admittedly, was wholly unnecessary on Johnson's part.
Please point out to me, exactly at what second on the video that Johnson has established and maintained control of the ball on the ground.
It does not matter if he TOUCHED the ground before the ball comes out. He has to maintain control after he hits the ground.
Literally every part of Johnson's body had hit the ground save for the hand with the ball in it - and he had 100% control over the ball all the while. Nowhere in the rule does it say the entirety of the body must touch the ground for it to be a catch. If it did, we'd get into absurdity where a player would have to basically smother the ground while maintaining control of the ball. I bring it into hyperbole here, obviously, but you get my point. He had control, he'd touched the ground, with all the parts of the body part which - in any other play - deem a player "down".
Again, read the rule. The player has to MAINTAIN control of the ball after he hits the ground. It doesn't matter how many parts hit the ground. He has to MAINTAIN control of the ball, something Johnson clearly does not do.
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