No surprise: Tomase reaches for the negative - New England Patriots Forums

SoonerPatriot · 10-15-2007, 04:22 AM

Not saying he's completely wrong, but a little over the top.....

IRVING, Texas - The Cowboys are supposed to be good and the Patriots [team stats] crushed them. Virtually every rival that watched yesterday’s 48-27 demolition can be found hiding under the nearest desk this morning. Except one. For Tom Moore and the Colts, the game provided hope.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/footb...icleid=1038137

DefenseRules · 10-15-2007, 05:03 AM

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to the crap that comes from the Herald? I have not clicked on any articles from that pathetic newspaper all year, and I won't start now.
The defense had an off day. It happens. The last time I checked they are human beings. But this is the second game in a row that they have looked shakey. I think that teams have adjusted to how we are playing without Seymour. It certainly looked like his boys missed him yesterday.

It's week 6 not week 16, there is room for improvement, most definately. I expect them to improve. We still have a long way to go. If this trend with the D becomes the norm, then we have a problem. We also had a lot of banged up guys playing in that D yesterday. They looked a lot better when they were healthy 3 weeks ago.

***reflexblue*** · 10-15-2007, 05:06 AM

It seems the D doesn't start kicking in until around November and gets better from then on out. imo

SVN · 10-15-2007, 05:27 AM

tomase is already building up all this up for indy.ignore his -vity and see some of the points mentioned.i think a couple are valid. Our run defense needs improving. Our pass defense has been like that for a couple of yrs so i dont think its changed much .some interesting points

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Maybe the Colts can take something from what we did, but those two teams have played each other so many times, (the Colts) have ways of attacking with their system,” said Cowboys tight end Jason Whitten. “I’m sure they feel good about where they stand.”

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“We had some opportunities underneath,” Whitten said. “I think that’s the way you have to attack them.”

Start with Harrison. The Cowboys threw on him late in the first half, when Whitten beat him for consecutive catches that set up a touchdown. Patrick Crayton then beat him twice for intermediate gains in the third quarter, the second an eight-yard touchdown.

Whitten admitted the Cowboys targeted Harrison.

“Yeah, we did,” he said. “But he did a good job. He’s a smart player. He’s never really out of position and knows what his weaknesses are. I thought he did a good job. There were some opportunities there in the second quarter, but overall he did the job.”

i think if we get seymour back then we should improve greatly on run D.
against the colts, i think they might play 1 more DB and 1 less LB and play more coverage and defend the run with the front 4 or 6. this is how they have played them in the past.

Pats726 · 10-15-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DefenseRules

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to the crap that comes from the Herald? I have not clicked on any articles from that pathetic newspaper all year, and I won't start now.

Tomase is a negative minded jerk..no wonder BB does not like the press..What manurr comes from these writers.. and where are all those that say Tomase is on a pace with Reiss?? seems like all that have said that have run back into the woodwork..I agree there is MUCH crap out there..of much negativity.

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Originally Posted by DefenseRules

The defense had an off day. It happens. The last time I checked they are human beings. But this is the second game in a row that they have looked shakey. I think that teams have adjusted to how we are playing without Seymour. It certainly looked like his boys missed him yesterday.

I agree as well..that the D had trouble..and there are a bunch banged up...AD was playing, but at quite a reduced level..There were others as well.

***Mike the Brit*** · 10-15-2007, 06:42 AM

Good, contrarian article.

I think it's good to challenge fans who only see the sunshine and never look at the clouds. It doesn't mean that we can't enjoy a great win.

And, with respect Stan, I can't imagine BB having the slightest problem with this article. It talks about football tactics and performance, rather than a lot of emotional fluff, and building up your opponents' strengths and focusing on your own weaknesses is BB's own trade-mark. (Of course, he wouldn't dream of saying a word about the Colts; we'll be hearing all week how great Miami is, not the Colts!)

Pats726 · 10-15-2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike the Brit

Good, contrarian article.

I think it's good to challenge fans who only see the sunshine and never look at the clouds. It doesn't mean that we can't enjoy a great win.

And, with respect Stan, I can't imagine BB having the slightest problem with this article. It talks about football tactics and performance, rather than a lot of emotional fluff, and building up your opponents' strengths and focusing on your own weaknesses is BB's own trade-mark. (Of course, he wouldn't dream of saying a word about the Colts; we'll be hearing all week how great Miami is, not the Colts!)

That is very true..but can we talk about teh timing of such an article?? I think THAT is more what I have a problem with than the content...in fact, I think he has a number of valid points...and would have been in my eyes, quite a solid article..but for the day after, I found it more negative and not all that fair...FOR an article written after a big win.
The team wins a big game and all that writer takkes out of it is the negativity of what happened?? THAT the D was poor??? I really have to ask how fair that is FOR a writer to be?? I agree it's good to be real about things and to spot where there are weaknesses...but to me that is more of an piece done a few days after..not the day after a big win. And that is what Tomase is good at.. TOTALLY forgetting the positive and concentrating on the negative. How fair is that?? Take a look at his body of work and see how negarive he is ALL the time..
Take it another way..you go on an interview and you think you've aced it, done a great job with it, but soemone ignores all that you think is good and just rips one part of what you think might be a weakness. Forgets the good parts..just does that. Fair??
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Yes...BB does do that..and should....and if this artivle was in a day or two I am sure it would have been taken MUCH differently..

kolbitr · 10-15-2007, 07:10 AM

I don't mind the critical stance at all, but I do think it's an odd spin. To bring the Colts up so early in the article...it's almost like something you'd hear at a bar, rather than from a sportswriter. And isn't the name spelled Witten, not Whitten? He played a smaller role in the game than feared...and he's better than Clark, I think.

I am almost certain that AD was at less than full strength. The run defense was not as good as in past weeks; and there is unlikely to be much blitzing against the Colts, obviously...

***PATSNUTme*** · 10-15-2007, 07:15 AM

This time I would have to agree. Even wearing my homer rose colored glasses.*

The thing that bugged me yesterday was poor tackling and players seeming to be out of position on D. Even Rodney did seemed to be out of position on several occasions.

All this is correctable so I wouldn't be drooling if I was Moore.

* are glasses really made out of glass?

***Mike the Brit*** · 10-15-2007, 07:17 AM

I take your point about the timing. I don't regularly read the Herald, but I do know that Tomase has published some good articles that aren't just negative. He's also broken some bad news stories about injuries that the Pats would have preferred not to come out, but that's his job.

It may be that the Herald wants at least one of its reporters to go out of his way not to be a homer to give its coverage a different slant. If so, I don't have a problem with that so long as it's done fairly, as I think this was (unlike a certain now thankfully former Globe writer).

As I say, I'm not going to let it spoil a sunny Monday morning!