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Old 10-14-2007, 10:06 PM   #1
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That play where the Cowboys scored on the fumble should have been reviewed. It was an incomplete pass. Brady pumped and never tucked the ball away. In that situation, when the ball hits the ground its incomplete. No exceptions. We all know this in New England. And the exact same thing was called in Cleveland's favor last week against us. Classic tuck rule. Watch the play, Brady pumps (arm moves forward)....moves a bit in the pocket, ball is knocked out. But he NEVER tucks the ball away....a key to the rule.

Incomplete pass, should have been reviewed. That was a mistake by the Patriots coaches.

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I think there has to be some kind of logical time limit or action rule on the tuck rule.

if the qb makes a football move after pumping and the ball doesnt come out of his hands; then he is obvoiously a runner not a passer.

if he stands there and pumps and then gets another 3 secs to stand in the pocket before he is hit; it doesn t make sense you can call that by the tuck rule.

I think it only makes logical sense if the two events (the pump and the strip) are in close time proximity.
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One caveat, its unclear if the ball went forward or backwards. I think it went forward, but its close.

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I think there has to be some kind of logical time limit or action rule on the tuck rule.

if the qb makes a football move after pumping and the ball doesnt come out of his hands; then he is obvoiously a runner not a passer.

if he stands there and pumps and then gets another 3 secs to stand in the pocket before he is hit; it doesn t make sense you can call that by the tuck rule.

I think it only makes logical sense if the two events (the pump and the strip) are in close time proximity.
No, there is no time limit. The amount of time that passed last week between Anderson's pump and the ball coming out was longer last week, as was the distance he scrambled after the pump.

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I think there has to be some kind of logical time limit or action rule on the tuck rule.
The whole point of the tuck rule is to take ANY judgment out of the hands of the refs. It was a tuck play, TEXTBOOK, I believe. Oh well. No big deal.
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Tha ball was knocked out of his hand by the defender. IIRC, that same defender scooped it up.
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Tha ball was knocked out of his hand by the defender. IIRC, that same defender scooped it up.
That makes no difference. It would be a tuck rule. Except now I'm thinking it may have gone backwards, which DOES make a difference. And its close enough I don't think they'd call it on review since they didn't call it on the field.

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That makes no difference. It would be a tuck rule. Except now I'm thinking it may have gone backwards, which DOES make a difference. And its close enough I don't think they'd call it on review since they didn't call it on the field.

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Come to think of it, I don't think any of those FG's Folk hit actually went through the uprights. Dude, Brady pumped, brought it back, and took off. The defender knocked the ball out of Brady's hand, it was a fumble. Maybe every QB should just pump it, and tuck it?
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No fan of the Tuck Rule, but I don't see how it doesn't apply in that play.

And there is no time limit. I remember Joe Gibbs lamenting that a QB could take 10 minutes before losing the ball and the rule would apply. Brady didn't bring the ball back to his body or "tuck" it so shouldn't the rule apply?
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The whole point of the tuck rule is to take ANY judgment out of the hands of the refs. It was a tuck play, TEXTBOOK, I believe. Oh well. No big deal.
Pats will NEVER get the benefit of the tuck rule again. Sorry.
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