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Old 09-15-2007, 08:58 PM   #1
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Last thing I wanted was to got to war with other Patriots fans.
But when time after time I get questioned over the very premise of me being a true fan, it's frustrating.

Just to sum up some things for anybody who apparently hasn't followed what I've been saying.
*Obviously I'm very angry that Belichick didn't stop using the on-field camera
for the start of this season when the rule seemed pretty clear.
*I'm angry that the team's legitimate accomplishments have been questioned.
*I'm angry at the ignorant media types, even the so-called experts who don't understand that the legal 'spying' would actually be of more benefit in the game being played on a given day, thus negating the BS about "cheating" with the camera.
*I'm angry that it's barely even mentioned that spying goes on when that is exactly the job description for advance scouts that every team employs.

If everyone still thinks I'm not a real fan because I'm angry at the coach of the team, I guess you'll never really know the truth.

I hope to put this episode away forever in my mind and now get back to enjoying the game of football, and most of all the New England Patriots.

I won't be on the messageboards much come monday due to crazy work schedule, but I'll be hanging on every play like I always do on sundays.

I'm really glad this is a home game tomorrow.
They're gonna face crazy loud opponent's stadiums this year.
I hope to hear a lot of noise and rabid support from the home crowd.
ESPN is gonna get their ratings for this game.

See ya.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:00 PM   #2
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Last thing I wanted was to got to war with other Patriots fans.
But when time after time I get questioned over the very premise of me being a true fan, it's frustrating.

Just to sum up some things for anybody who apparently hasn't followed what I've been saying.
*Obviously I'm very angry that Belichick didn't stop using the on-field camera
for the start of this season when the rule seemed pretty clear.
*I'm angry that the team's legitimate accomplishments have been questioned.
*I'm angry at the ignorant media types, even the so-called experts who don't understand that the legal 'spying' would actually be of more benefit in the game being played on a given day, thus negating the BS about "cheating" with the camera.
*I'm angry that it's barely even mentioned that spying goes on when that is exactly the job description for advance scouts that every team employs.

If everyone still thinks I'm not a real fan because I'm angry at the coach of the team, I guess you'll never really know the truth.

I hope to put this episode away forever in my mind and now get back to enjoying the game of football, and most of all the New England Patriots.

I won't be on the messageboards much come monday due to crazy work schedule, but I'll be hanging on every play like I always do on sundays.

I'm really glad this is a home game tomorrow.
They're gonna face crazy loud opponent's stadiums this year.
I hope to hear a lot of noise and rabid support from the home crowd.
ESPN is gonna get their ratings for this game.

See ya.
You mean NBC.
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Cheating is turning up the heat in the Boston Garden or shutting off the hot water in the lockerrooms.

Yet no one calls Red Auerbach a cheater.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:19 PM   #4
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*I'm angry that the team's legitimate accomplishments have been questioned.
When I actually thought about this, it really doesn't matter at all. What, people will stop saying nice things about the Pats? Who cares? All the statements are made on the field. All the questions are answered on the field.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:24 PM   #5
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Last thing I wanted was to got to war with other patriots fans. But when time after time I get questioned over the very premise of me being a true fan, it's frustratingSee ya.
Nope. That's it. No truce. We're still going to hang you at sunrise - I doubt anyone is happy this happened. I'm not really angry about it. I see it more as stupdity for having the camera on the sidelines instead of putting it where it wasn't against the rules.
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Some people look inside themselves to know who they are while others need the aproval of the masses.
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Old 09-15-2007, 09:45 PM   #7
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I'm not particularly happy either...

I won't hang the team out to dry. BB played a very crappy hand and got burned. He thought he had his loophole and his "get out of jail card free". He thought he could push it a bit and take that questionable deduction on his taxes and get away with it. He got nailed for it. He was warned several times, but he still thought that he could fall back on the vaugely worded regulation in the actual book. Like I said, he bet a really bad hand of poker.

He should be smarter than that.

Am I gonna sit here in judgment of him, ***** no, I haven't earned that right. I'm not gonna sit here and let every other d-bag fan come on here and cry "cheater" either, cuz it's quite obvious that it is not a case of in-game cheating (which I would absolutely call out and be 100% NOT supportive of him).

this is silly what going on and what's being said. As for a truce. I never considered us at war.
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I don't blame you at all for being initially angry at BB. The media was using every arrow in their quiver to influence you in that direction. Rumor, innuendo, supposition, conjecture, hyperbole, hypothesis, slander, libel, and insinuation all made an appearance. Under such an onslaught, only a corpse could have avoided being affected. Hopefully, now that your senses have regained their equanimity, you realize that we have been subjected to a massive wave of propaganda, meant to obscure the petty and trivial nature of this incident. BB remains the same human being he was prior to this media blitzkrieg: a brilliant, irascible, introverted, contradictory curmudgeon who has led our football team to 3 Super Bowl Titles. Yes, I'm angry at BB too. Angry that after last week's game he didn't tear off Mangini's head and crap down his throat at the 50 yard line.

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I don't blame you at all for being initially angry at BB. The media was using every arrow in their quiver to influence you in that direction. Rumor, innuendo, supposition, conjecture, hyperbole, hypothesis, slander, libel, and insinuation all made an appearance. Under such an onslaught, only a corpse could have avoided being affected. Hopefully, now that your senses have regained their equanimity, you realize that we have been subjected to a massive wave of propaganda, meant to obscure the petty and trivial nature of this incident. BB remains the same human being he was prior to this media blitzkrieg: a brilliant, irascible, introverted, contradictory curmudgeon who has led our football team to 3 Super Bowl Titles. Yes, I'm angry at BB too. Angry that after last week's game he didn't tear off Mangini's head and crap down his throat at the 50 yard line.
+10000. You hit the nail on the head.
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I don't blame you at all for being initially angry at BB. The media was using every arrow in their quiver to influence you in that direction. Rumor, innuendo, supposition, conjecture, hyperbole, hypothesis, slander, libel, and insinuation all made an appearance. Under such an onslaught, only a corpse could have avoided being affected. Hopefully, now that your senses have regained their equanimity, you realize that we have been subjected to a massive wave of propaganda, meant to obscure the petty and trivial nature of this incident. BB remains the same human being he was prior to this media blitzkrieg: a brilliant, irascible, introverted, contradictory curmudgeon who has led our football team to 3 Super Bowl Titles. Yes, I'm angry at BB too. Angry that after last week's game he didn't tear off Mangini's head and crap down his throat at the 50 yard line.
My sentiments never have I seen such a ***** storm unleashed, no one likes a winner and no one believes in what we know. I will defend BB until proven otherwise, and really believe that he misintrepreted the rule. As time goes by, he may have been misinformed by someone else or this film was just part of the volumnous film library.

One huge fact I cannot get by is, Matt Estrella a 4 year Pats employee, who is well known by Mangini, Daboll and some the other Jets staff and employees was filming in plain sight. I do not think this is arrogance, I think it was a genuine misinterpretation of the rules. If BB wanted to "cheat" he could have done it digitally from the stands, or some other way not from a well known pats employee using a hand held camera with a cassette. Makes no sense at all to have done this for any other reason.

The Media are responsible for most of this, particularly those who know BB well, his methods and supposedly respect him for what he has done, whatever happened to loyalty and trust?
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