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***Pats Fanatic*** · 09-22-2007, 08:34 AM

This is what he is writing now, well it's rather pathetic. He has changed, I use to enjoy much of his writings (except his views on movies are kind of laughable), even that little carton he had on espn.com was funny. Now he sounds like all the rest of the espn morons, don't make waves and above all else call Belichick a cheater. I rarely ever watch ESPN or visit their website anymore, their references to history and facts are missing and replaced by their opinions and rumours, very sad actually.

Bella*chick · 09-22-2007, 09:57 AM

I will give him credit for noticing, as I did, how the story of the whole thing ending was kind of buried. No screaming headlines or cute plays on words. Just a big pile of crickets chirping. So pathetic.

BoTown · 09-22-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella*chick

I will give him credit for noticing, as I did, how the story of the whole thing ending was kind of buried. No screaming headlines or cute plays on words. Just a big pile of crickets chirping. So pathetic.

The same media that was piling on for the past 2 weeks swept this one under the rug. Go figure, right?

signbabybrady · 09-22-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NEPat

I did think The Turncoat (aka Eric Mangini) should have been fined for blowing the whistle on Belichick and then inexplicably shaking his hand afterward. Stick to your guns, Mr. Mangineous. If you're going to sell out your old boss during the game, what better way to show your disgust than eschewing the postgame handshake and just walking off the field? What's the point of shaking hands? Hey, great game, congrats on the win. ... By the way, I ratted you out in the first quarter, sorry about that.

very good point

bad enough to be a rat but two faced.....mangini, two faced rat...

TheBostonStraggler · 09-22-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

WRONG. Your (and many others') contention that they were "cheating" (I agree, not the word I would use) BETTER than the others is 100% wrong. In fact, they were breaking the rule in a more STUPID and OVERT fashion than the others.

They DID NOT do it better than the others. This is the reason I am so PO'd at Belichick. He screwed up and it cost the organization greatly.

BB did a FAR WORSE job at stealing signals than the other teams. They put their staffers up in the stands with small cellphones or minicams, dressed as regular fans. BB put Estrella on the sidelines in front of 78,000 NY fans, dressed in Patriot staffer clothing during a game taking place 6 miles to the East of the NFL Headquarters against his former protege who knows all his tricks. Previously, the Pats had their cameraman removed from the sidelines (or spotted on the sidelines) by the Lions and Packers.

So your contention that they were doing this BETTER than the others is 100% wrong. They actually were more incompetent in their actions here than everyone else.

Whether or not this was on purpose by BB to prove a point to the NFL is anyone's guess. I would imagine, though, that he DID miscalculate on the consequences of this purposely overt action - - on a much less serious level, but analogous to that idiot MIT student at Logan Airport yesterday.

On further consideration, my choice of words were incorrect. You are correct. I agree that the level of secrecy BB was using does make the "cheating better" argument lose some veracity (though not to the 100% argument you put forth IMHO). One other argument I would put forth on this matter; BB is not a stupid or incompetent guy. If this was being done semi overtly, I have my doubts it was due to incompetency. To me there can only be 2 reasons. A) BB really thought his interpretation of the rule was correct and intense secrecy was not warranted, or B) the acceptance that others were doing it, in some form and fashion, as a practice and secrecy was unnecessary (meaning the worst that would happen is the camera man would just get booted from the sideline). Other explanations could be underlings were not putting enough attention to this operation and they became lazy at it, or BB's ego didn't allow him to see possible consequences of these actions. But given the Patriots preparation seem high in all areas and BB's belief that every battle is won or lost before it is fought, I just don't believe he was just incompetent about it, or he would let his ego get in the way of the properly functioning mechanisms of preparation. It seems likely that A or B is the explanation (obviously I am seeing this through Patriot colored glasses however).