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PonyExpress · 09-13-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by QuiGon

Dont'cha think that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face...?

Not at all. The NFL is a great product, and survived before the salary cap, and can survive after one. Mr. Kraft owns a large market team with a great brand, and will be well positioned to dominate the new league, whatever the financial structure. The Players Association wants this, as do Dallas and Washington.

***QuiGon*** · 09-13-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

I don't think my "foolishness" compares to your own, openly rooting for a severe punishment for a coach because you dislike his press conferences and fuzzy injury reports. The current CBA is a nice business model, but it isn't the only one. Kraft would prosper in any model now that his brand has been developed sufficiently.

I think that's a bit homeristic... The Patriots are not larger than the League... Instituting a new CBA that hurts the League will, in the long run, hurt the Patriots.

***mgteich*** · 09-13-2007, 12:32 PM

My personal belief is that the salary cap is an integral part of what makes the NFL great. I also believe that Kraft will continue to work with the Commission and the union to keep it in place in the next CBA. Could Kraft make money in any environement he chooses? Probably. So, yes I think that he could make money in an NFL without a salary cap. I personally doubt that he would for long. The business risk is too great. Look at the profitability of teams in other sports and the profitability of teams in the NFL. Owning a team in the NFL is a solid business investment and enterprise. Owing a team in the other professional sports leagues is a hobby, one which often loses money. Kraft could choose to have an expensive hobby in owning an NFL team. I just don't see it.

PonyExpress · 09-13-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

My personal belief is that the salary cap is an integral part of what makes the NFL great. I also believe that Kraft will continue to work with the Commission and the union to keep it in place in the next CBA. Could Kraft make money in any environement he chooses? Probably. So, yes I think that he could make money in an NFL without a salary cap. I personally doubt that he would for long. The business risk is too great. Look at the profitability of teams in other sports and the profitability of teams in the NFL. Owning a team in the NFL is a solid business investment and enterprise. Owing a team in the other professional sports leagues is a hobby, one which often loses money. Kraft could choose to have an expensive hobby in owning an NFL team. I just don't see it.

The NFL flourished prior to the salary cap. It will flourish after one.

***Bo0MeR*** · 09-13-2007, 12:35 PM

This is such a ignorant thread, because your coach is being investigated you want to blow up the salary cap and ruin parity in the NFL because of some "lesser team" crap your spewing about small market teams. How about you accept what happened and stop trying to make other teams suffer for your coaches mistake and some ignorance you ahve about small market teams

***QuiGon*** · 09-13-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

Not at all. The NFL is a great product, and survived before the salary cap, and can survive after one.

Well, the league survived (and thrived) because the big market teams did not do the types of things you are suggesting. I agree that the NFL is a great product... and that's because, historically, the large market teams have worked with the small market teams and not against them.

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

Mr. Kraft owns a large market team with a great brand, and will be well positioned to dominate the new league, whatever the financial structure. The Players Association wants this, as do Dallas and Washington.

So you want Bob Kraft to behave like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. That idea doesn't turn your stomach just a bit..?

***Deus Irae*** · 09-13-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by QuiGon

I think that's a bit homeristic... The Patriots are not larger than the League... Instituting a new CBA that hurts the League will, in the long run, hurt the Patriots.

Baseball is a $6 billion industry with nothing approaching the NFL's salary cap. The NFL would find a way to survive. While I'm not sure completely scrapping the CBA really has anything much to do with the issue at hand, the notion that scrapping it would devastate the league is silly.

PonyExpress · 09-13-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo0MeR

This is such a ignorant thread, because your coach is being investigated you want to blow up the salary cap and ruin parity in the NFL because of some "lesser team" crap your spewing about small market teams. How about you accept what happened and stop trying to make other teams suffer for your coaches mistake and some ignorance you ahve about small market teams

Nothing ignorant at all about it. Our organization is being unjustly tarnished by a conspiracy of dunces, bitter over being beaten like rented mules. If the Commissioner allows this to continue, I see no reason why Kraft should continue to subsidize these wretches from his own wallet. Pull the plug, and go back to pre-1994 structure. Of course, your team would likely go under, but I could accept that kind of casualty for the greater good.

PonyExpress · 09-13-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by QuiGon

Well, the league survived (and thrived) because the big market teams did not do the types of things you are suggesting. I agree that the NFL is a great product... and that's because, historically, the large market teams have worked with the small market teams and not against them.
So you want Bob Kraft to behave like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. That idea doesn't turn your stomach just a bit..?

IF the commissioner does not put a stop to this- IF- then I wouldn't mind Mr. Kraft acting like JJones and DSnyder FINANCIALLY, not personally.

***QuiGon*** · 09-13-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Baseball is a $6 billion industry with nothing approaching the NFL's salary cap. The NFL would find a way to survive. While I'm not sure completely scrapping the CBA really has anything much to do with the issue at hand, the notion that scrapping it would devastate the league is silly.

I didn't say it would devastate the league. Please don't put words in my mouth. What I said was eliminating the cap will ultimately, in the long run, hurt the league and that will in turn hurt the Patriots.

Honestly, some people in here are acting like spoiled rotten children threatening a temper tantrum if they don't get their way. Thankfully Bob Kraft will not behave in such a manner.