If the Pats did videotape the Jets - New England Patriots Forums

nowayback · 09-11-2007, 07:13 AM

It's because Belichick didn't mind if the Pats got caught...as he has a hidden reason for doing it...or even he wanted to be caught...why? Maybe he just wants to get into the other teams' heads...there is no way that he who is so careful in anything he does would be so obvious with the videoing. Up 'till now from what I have seen of him (from afar), anything he does has been done for a reason. He doesn't leave anything to chance.

I want to say he is a man beyond reproach...but I more think he is a man who believes that...if you use underhanded methods...well OK 2 can play at this game.

Does that make it right...or within the rules? No...but that is how the game is played. If I am and off lineman and I don't hold, grab a hold of the def lineman...no matter how good I am...I won't last in the NFL.

***NEPatriot*** · 09-11-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nowayback

It's because Belichick didn't mind if the Pats got caught...as he has a hidden reason for doing it...or even he wanted to be caught...why? Maybe he just wants to get into the other teams' heads...there is no way that he who is so careful in anything he does would be so obvious with the videoing. Up 'till now from what I have seen of him (from afar), anything he does has been done for a reason. He doesn't leave anything to chance.

I want to say he is a man beyond reproach...but I more think he is a man who believes that...if you use underhanded methods...well OK 2 can play at this game.

Does that make it right...or within the rules? No...but that is how the game is played. If I am and off lineman and I don't hold, grab a hold of the def lineman...no matter how good I am...I won't last in the NFL.

The whole thing is a little curious, especially in light of the Green Bay incident. I wonder if this is the reason that BB seemed to pile on at the end of the game with a TD. By the way, if there is sanction from the league, any thougths as to what it will be? I'm assuming a loss of a draft pick would be a very low round pick.

Pats726 · 09-11-2007, 07:22 AM

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The whole thing is a little curious, especially in light of the Green Bay incident. I wonder if this is the reason that BB seemed to pile on at the end of the game with a TD. By the way, if there is sanction from the league, any thougths as to what it will be? I'm assuming a loss of a draft pick would be a very low round pick.

I heard possible multiple or first day...which I think is a load of crap...

FirstAndGoal · 09-11-2007, 07:26 AM

Well, it wouldn't be a win for the Jets and they are crying about for the simple fact that it would create a nightmare in Las Vegas.

It won't be a suspension of BB as someone else mentioned unless they can tie this directly to him.

I suspect (if it's true) it would be a low round draft pick.

Sundayjack · 09-11-2007, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nowayback

its because belichick didnt mind if the pats got caught...as he has a hidden reason for doing it...or even he wanted to be caught....why? maybe he just wants to get into the other teams heads.. there is no way that he who is so careful in anything he does would be so obvious with the videoing. up till now from what i have seen of him(from afar), anything he does has been done for a reason. he doesnt leave anything to chance.
i want to say he is a man beyond reproach...but i more think he is a man who believes that... if you use underhanded methods...well ok 2 can play at this game.
does that make it right..or within the rules? no...but that is how the game is played. if i am and off lineman and i dont hold, grab a hold of the def lineman....no matter how good i am..i wont last in the NFL.

Or, how about this for another theory: he wanted to gain a competitive advantage. Seems to me the more likely reason.

***DarrylS*** · 09-11-2007, 07:36 AM

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Or, how about this for another theory: he wanted to gain a competitive advantage. Seems to me the more likely reason.

Can you explain to me how he would get a competitive advantage? There are camera's all over the stadium, there are photographers all over the place.. there are spotters in the press box. There are much better vantage points than behind the Jets Bench. Why would he do it so blatantly behind the bench? The signals are given facing the players? None of this makes any sense to me.

Sundayjack · 09-11-2007, 07:51 AM

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Can you explain to me how he would get a competitive advantage? There are camera's all over the stadium, there are photographers all over the place.. there are spotters in the press box. There are much better vantage points than behind the Jets Bench. Why would he do it so blatantly behind the bench? The signals are given facing the players? None of this makes any sense to me.

Well, of the two posited reasons - that this was a Belichick, sooper-sneaky, double-switcheroo; or, that this was video taping to be used for game-planning - the latter is most certainly the plausible one.

Here's what I think: As I said in a thread here last night, the Patriots have (or, at least, had) video and audio taped their own sideline for quality control during the Belichick coaching era. It's indisputable that they have used cameras on their sideline. I read where the Commissioner's office issued a recent instruction about that being against the rules, so they were supposed to have stopped. In any event, it wouldn't surprise me if, along the way, those cameras were also aimed across the field. It wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots kept a database on each team's field signals. I wouldn't fault them one bit - except after being told to stop.

The short answer to your question is that, if they were taping opposing teams, it wouldn't be anything usable during that particular game. There simply isn't time. Even during half time, there just isn't enough time. And, I also don't buy the notion that the camera man was sending hand-signals back to the Patriots coaches. Seems sort of silly to me. I mean, they'd be sending hand-signals about the opposing team's hand-signals? Odd. That said, if your point is that videotaping opposing hand-signals is of no value, I wholly disagree.

***DarrylS*** · 09-11-2007, 07:55 AM

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The short answer to your question is that, if they were taping opposing teams, it wouldn't be anything usable during that particular game. There simply isn't time. Even during half time, there just isn't enough time. And, I also don't buy the notion that the camera man was sending hand-signals back to the Patriots coaches. Seems sort of silly to me. I mean, they'd be sending hand-signals about the opposing team's hand-signals? Odd. That said, if your point is that videotaping opposing hand-signals is of no value, I wholly disagree.

But why do it from behind the Jets Bench, it would make more sense to do it from behind the Pats Bench so they could see the signals as they face the Jets. Not sure what you can see from behind the Jets Bench. Secondly, the plays change and the signal callers change from game to game. There is usually two or three people giving signals, but only one is actually doing the other two are decoys. None of this makes any sense to me. You have guys in the spotters booth with binoculars, there are cameras all over the stadium..

Bella*chick · 09-11-2007, 07:58 AM

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Well, of the two posited reasons - that this was a Belichick, sooper-sneaky, double-switcheroo; or, that this was video taping to be used for game-planning - the latter is most certainly the plausible one.

Here's what I think: As I said in a thread here last night, the Patriots have (or, at least, had) video and audio taped their own sideline for quality control during the Belichick coaching era. It's indisputable that they have used cameras on their sideline. I read where the Commissioner's office issued a recent instruction about that being against the rules, so they were supposed to have stopped. In any event, it wouldn't surprise me if, along the way, those cameras were also aimed across the field. It wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots kept a database on each team's field signals. I wouldn't fault them one bit - except after being told to stop.

The short answer to your question is that, if they were taping opposing teams, it wouldn't be anything usable during that particular game. There simply isn't time. Even during half time, there just isn't enough time. And, I also don't buy the notion that the camera man was sending hand-signals back to the Patriots coaches. Seems sort of silly to me. I mean, they'd be sending hand-signals about the opposing team's hand-signals? Odd. That said, if your point is that videotaping opposing hand-signals is of no value, I wholly disagree.

If what you say is true, then why do this during the Green Bay and Detroit games? We hardly ever play them and not twice in the same year.

cubicle_6 · 09-11-2007, 07:59 AM

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But why do it from behind the Jets Bench, it would make more sense to do it from behind the Pats Bench so they could see the signals as they face the Jets. Not sure what you can see from behind the Jets Bench. Secondly, the plays change and the signal callers change from game to game. There is usually two or three people giving signals, but only one is actually doing the other two are decoys. None of this makes any sense to me. You have guys in the spotters booth with binoculars, there are cameras all over the stadium..

The cameraman in question was on the Pats' sideline, not the Jets'.