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Old 09-05-2007, 05:26 PM   #11
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I think Mangini knows that BB is going to do whatever it takes to stop the run and make Chad beat the Pats.

My guess is that we'll see eight in the box and I dont expect many blitzes from the Pats unless its a passing down....

If Pennington can handle that and beat that Pats secondary, the Jets will have their opportunities, if not, this game will be over by the end of the 3rd quarter.
Good analysis. While there may not be many blitzes by the Pats, you can bet the LBs will be in disguise and pressure will come from them and the DEs during the course of the game. The key with Pennington is to severely limit his time in the pocket and force him to move. My guess is that this is what the Pats have been working on most. The other, as you say, is stopping the run.

Should be a good one, as both teams are sky high, but not quite as sky high as some of their fans.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:35 PM   #12
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Good analysis. While there may not be many blitzes by the Pats, you can bet the LBs will be in disguise and pressure will come from them and the DEs during the course of the game. The key with Pennington is to severely limit his time in the pocket and force him to move. My guess is that this is what the Pats have been working on most. The other, as you say, is stopping the run.

Should be a good one, as both teams are sky high, but not quite as sky high as some of their fans.
I think if there are blitzes on 1st or 2nd down, they will be read blitzes, meaning the LB's wont go until they make their reads and realize that its not a run. On 3rd and long situations, you better beleive the Pats are bringing the house and will test the young, unexperienced OL.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how Belly stacks the Right side of the D to try and exploit our weakness with Ferguson and Bender on the left... At the very least, I expect to see Warren on the right instead of Green.

For the Jets, I would like to see how we counter Belly's Defensive alignment and if we run a lot of screens etc... to keep the LB's on the heels.

As always, should be a good game of chess.
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Well this one is billed as the Jets blitz heavy D against the Patriots newly installed offense.

I'll be looking for the O-line and Maroney to show me that they can run the ball convincingly even when the opposition is set up to stop it.

I don't think teams are going to back right off the LOS, not until Brady hooks up a couple of times on deep balls - this should open up the underneath routes for Watson and Welker.

Im confident that the DB's are in good shape headingto this game despite the loss of Rodney.

Samuel, Hobbs and Gay are a nice rotation at CB and most teams would think nothing of plugging a first round pick straight in at safety.

I guess LeKevin Smith has done more than most to get a little playing time in relief of the starters - with Seymour out he should get it.

We know what Pennington will bring, a sub-standard version of what Tom Brady does - alot of timing routes and short stuff - it'll be key to stop their WR's making any huge YAC gains.

If the offense can click, they could kill this off early and take the crowd out of the game - if they can get ahead and stay ahead then that NY crowd will become the Patriots 12th man.

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Also, it'll be interesting to see how Belly stacks the Right side of the D to try and exploit our weakness with Ferguson and Bender on the left... At the very least, I expect to see Warren on the right instead of Green.

For the Jets, I would like to see how we counter Belly's Defensive alignment and if we run a lot of screens etc... to keep the LB's on the heels.

As always, should be a good game of chess.
Not sure they'll actually take care of that by swapping DEs. My guess is that the LBs (OLBs & ILBs) will be in an uncommitted formation and will bring pressure as the DLs tie up the Jets OL.

You're right, a game of chess to say the least.
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I was reading a Jets board yesterday and over and over again they were saying NY needs to pound the ball, that they need to run it right at NE, blah blah macho crap.

NY's OL doesn't match up well with NE's front 7. Their WRs, on the other hand, can do damage to the NE secondary. I think NY needs to come out throwing quick, short passes. Don't give Colvin and Green enough time to get to the QB, and don't foolishly run into a wall. Try to hit guys in stride under the secondary. Getting past the front 7 is hard, but outrunning NE's secondary isn't. Think of the "garbage time" TDs in week 2 last year. I'm not saying they shouldn't run, but they should pass to set up the run.

I don't know enough about NY's defense to say what NE should do. NE needs to execute. If they do, NY can't stop them. And please show off Moss so that the questions can go away.
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The Jest strength on offense is the short passing game, get the ball to Coles/Cotchery/Washington in space and let them get creative. The Pats got a lot of pressure on Penny in the first game last year, this will be a similar game. The D will want to deny Penny any roll-outs to the right, away from the weak link at LG. They will need to force him to make quick decisions under pressure - which should create a turnover or two.

Despite the fuss over Rodney's suspension and Seymour's PUPping, this defense is solid and experienced top to bottom. The biggest concern is Wilson's hamstring - and if Samuel is activated that allows Blue to backstop Geno. The Jest will try to establish the run with Jones and Washington, but they don't have the horses to handle Warren on their strong side. I expect this to be Wilfork's breakout year so Mangold and the Guards won't be enough to contain him. Green working against Fergy and the rook is a losing proposition. All that's before the linebackers get rolling.

The great challenge for the Pats D is limiting the YAC after NY's three sparkplugs get their hands on the ball. The Pats will need to be disciplined in zone, and quick to contain the receivers. Pull Bruschi for Alexander or Mitchell on obvious passing downs - be aware of the screen or draw, Washington is very good, as good as Faulk.

The Jest defense is an unknown. Vilma is great in pursuit and a smart player, the question is how much stronger is he in the 3-4 after a year in the system? Ellis was quite good at LDE. Robertson should have a better idea of how to play the Nose, but he is also likely to still be fighting instinct and prior training the way we see when LeKevin Smith is inside. They've obviously found someone who can shore up the RDE position better then Kimo, but whomever it might be is an unknown. The Pats run game should be decent against the front seven and I look for NE to use it to grind down the defense.

I expect the Pats to come out early and pressure the secondary with Moss, Stallworth, and Watson. This will hopefully force Kerry Rhodes to stay deep and keep the Jest from blitzing him and using him in the box. The Pats should be able to move the ball well against the Jest D, later in the season that D will be much tougher as they get reps together.

Special Teams will be critical and I have no crystal ball on how this will go. The Jest have some terrific returners and Eric knows the importance of building a strong STs program.
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I think if there are blitzes on 1st or 2nd down, they will be read blitzes, meaning the LB's wont go until they make their reads and realize that its not a run. On 3rd and long situations, you better beleive the Pats are bringing the house and will test the young, unexperienced OL.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how Belly stacks the Right side of the D to try and exploit our weakness with Ferguson and Bender on the left... At the very least, I expect to see Warren on the right instead of Green.

For the Jets, I would like to see how we counter Belly's Defensive alignment and if we run a lot of screens etc... to keep the LB's on the heels.

As always, should be a good game of chess.
I don't see them flipping Warren at all. Green has always been a strong RDE in relief of Seymour. He took a lot of reps in the infamous San Diego game since Sey needed to be rested often with his bad wing and drumstick. Where the pass rush pressure will come on the left is Colvin and Thomas, I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas blitzes on Bender quite often (Bender was one of the OTs on my draft board, I'm glad to see I picked one correctly, even if he went to the wrong program).

The chess match here is the best part of this rivalry. I really miss Herm and his ability to turn things on their head for his team, but having two coaching staffs with similar philosophies and more then one brain cell to spare is soooo entertaining to watch.
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i think its going to be a tough fought game. i think the pats will stack 8 men in the box and force pennington to beat them. i dont think chemistry will be an issue for the pats, there a veteran team. im interested to see revis in real game action, he's got all the tools, but should take him some time to get use to game speed. thomas jones is still recovering from injury and the pats defense will be missing some key guys too, but history shows a bum off the streets can fill in.

jets offense vs pats defense - edge go to pats

pats offense vs jets defense - edge go to pats

special teams - edge go to jets

jets are going to have to score early we all know chad cant play catch up, i think its going to be a close game and b/c im a jets fan like or not boys...

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I was reading a Jets board yesterday and over and over again they were saying NY needs to pound the ball, that they need to run it right at NE, blah blah macho crap.

NY's OL doesn't match up well with NE's front 7. Their WRs, on the other hand, can do damage to the NE secondary. I think NY needs to come out throwing quick, short passes. Don't give Colvin and Green enough time to get to the QB, and don't foolishly run into a wall. Try to hit guys in stride under the secondary. Getting past the front 7 is hard, but outrunning NE's secondary isn't. Think of the "garbage time" TDs in week 2 last year. I'm not saying they shouldn't run, but they should pass to set up the run.

I don't know enough about NY's defense to say what NE should do. NE needs to execute. If they do, NY can't stop them. And please show off Moss so that the questions can go away.
NY's defense has some talent but a lot of depth, so as a Pats fan you should expect to see a lot of different personell packages and as always when the Jets play the Pats since Mangini took over, even more movement.

So the key for Brady and co. is not to get lost in all the swapping and moving. The Jets D is best described as a bend but dont break unit. They wont overwhelm you with talent, but they will take advantage of opportunities and will do whatever possible to create those opportunities. So if the OL can pick up the blitzes and Brady can make his reads, you should be okay. If not, you'll likely have a long day, lol.

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Why are posters saying NE will blitz heavily(6+ pass rushers) and/or stack the box? Bltzing 6,7 or 8 guys is a recipe for big plays against your defense. It's a gamble. NE shouldn't have to gamble against NYJ because they usually can get pressure without doing so. Also, why does NE have to stack the box to stop the run vs. NYJ? If NE can stop the run easily(and they should) they can have more defenders in coverage to match up with NYJ pass catchers.

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