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Old 09-05-2007, 02:30 PM   #101
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though when i "consider the source" i doubt the report, nonetheless i have written him out myself. i'm not an orthopod, but i do think there's a point at which a knee can't recover to the point of playing in the NFL.
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Old 09-05-2007, 02:50 PM   #102
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This brings up a question. Is a rumor of a possible trade "false" if the trade doesn't happen? By all accounts Green Bay WAS talking trade for Moss, and Favre was pissed that it didn't come through. So a rumor that the Packers were actively in the market for Moss should count as a gold star, no?

Rumors of "interest" and "talks" etc. will never yield a perfect record in terms of actual trades, signings and draft picks. Circumstances change; deals fall through. (Maybe the Patriots would indeed have drafted LB David Harris if they hadn't gotten a trade offer to their liking. How the heck do we know?) So even if Florio's rumors were 100% accurate as rumors we'd be able to point to "rumblings" of "discussions" that didn't pan out as reason to discount his site. I don't discount it myself -- I accept its vast limitations but appreciate its strengths.

Here's my personal opinion of PFT:

- Florio has developed an incredible pipeline and breaks a LOT of stories. I think we take too much for granted in that regard--there's a ton we wouldn't know if PFT hadn't brought it too the surface. For instance, I think he deserves a lot of credit for the better public understanding of contracts today, especially puffed-up numbers.

- Florio knows a lot more about the business of football than he does about the game of football. When he tries to make predictions or weigh in on the various merits of players, I quickly scroll away.

- Florio has a massive ego and a yen for drama that sometimes gets in the way of sound judgment.

- Florio has become so influential in league inner circles that he's now at risk of sabotage. I'm certain that some folks are starting to plant disinformation with him at this point, and he has no way of telling the wheat from the chaff. This will do him in if he doesn't get a handle on it.
Will McDonough used to speculate on such things base on "reliable sources" (boy, that's something you never see any more).

He was right a tremendous amount of the time, lending his rumors, speculation or whatever great credibility.

I could flip a coin and be right more often than PFT.

Rarely do they even describe their source (team source etc.).

So, regardless of their sources, speculations, or dartboard, I choose to ignore them. As long as somebody puts PFT at the beginning of the thread, I know to give it the credibility it deserves, which is very little IMO.

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Old 09-05-2007, 05:04 PM   #103
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Florio has developed an incredible pipeline and breaks a LOT of stories. I think we take too much for granted in that regard--there's a ton we wouldn't know if PFT hadn't brought it too the surface. For instance, I think he deserves a lot of credit for the better public understanding of contracts today, especially puffed-up numbers.
Agree about contracts, CBA, coaching moves. He's on top of a lot of front office maneuvers. Not sure what percentage of his stories he breaks, I think he mostly brings local stories into a national spotlight, though he certainly breaks a few and he did a yeoman's job (perhaps a bit too enthusiastically) on the Vick story.
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Florio has a massive ego and a yen for drama that sometimes gets in the way of sound judgment.
The strong POV and drama are essential to his appeal. Look at Hashmarks with its milquetoast approach. It's the opposite of Florio and suffers by comparison.
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Florio has become so influential in league inner circles that he's now at risk of sabotage. I'm certain that some folks are starting to plant disinformation with him at this point, and he has no way of telling the wheat from the chaff. This will do him in if he doesn't get a handle on it.
Very good point. He can control this completely, however, by exercising media discipline (short of the attorney general, no one disciplines like the media). For example, most of Florio's readers have an inkling that he doesn't like Len Pasquarelli (ya think?). If someone used Florio for sabotage, he would know and he could find a way to punish. He only has to make that clear in a subtle but effective way, assuming he knows how to be subtle.

Comics learn to handle hecklers. Rumor-mills learn to ferret out disinformation. He should know that by now.

One concern, which goes to your point about his ego, is that he's let his position of influence as a go-between make him think he can analyze beyond his legal expertise. His "cousin's" guessing about the Harrison/Samuel coincidence is one example that seemed pretty ridiculous to me. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Okay, that was too long a response.
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Very good point. He can control this completely, however, by exercising media discipline (short of the attorney general, no one disciplines like the media). For example, most of Florio's readers have an inkling that he doesn't like Len Pasquarelli (ya think?). If someone used Florio for sabotage, he would know and he could find a way to punish. He only has to make that clear in a subtle but effective way, assuming he knows how to be subtle.
Great point. Honestly, I think one of his biggest weaknesses is his tendency to wage petty vendettas. If you get on his s*** list you're in for years of character assassination. He LOVES to label people, and obviously gets a kick out of people picking up his nasty nicknames. It's one thing to be funny and caustic, another to be genuinely mean-spirited. The more he crosses that line, the more he causes lasting harm to reputations and makes enemies. In the long run, that could be a big mistake.
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Great point. Honestly, I think one of his biggest weaknesses is his tendency to wage petty vendettas. If you get on his s*** list you're in for years of character assassination. He LOVES to label people, and obviously gets a kick out of people picking up his nasty nicknames. It's one thing to be funny and caustic, another to be genuinely mean-spirited. The more he crosses that line, the more he causes lasting harm to reputations and makes enemies. In the long run, that could be a big mistake.
It's a thin line. He's become a go-to web site because he's edgy, but the vendetta thing is at the least annoying to his readers and must be truly infuriating to his targets, especially those bound by the traditions of their own media not to strike back. And you're right, it's a hollow sort of laughter when it's as mean-spirited as he makes it.

He obviously works his butt off to make the site successful, but if he lets his emotions take charge, he could be as quick to fall as he was to rise.
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http://www.projo.com/patriots/conten...S.30b5c20.html

Another recent report suggesting it may be more than just a website rumor
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Another recent report suggesting it may be more than just a website rumor
If repeating stuff we've already heard makes it stronger, that's true.
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http://www.projo.com/patriots/conten...S.30b5c20.html

Another recent report suggesting it may be more than just a website rumor
She's making a big deal out of Seymour not being elected team captain (as he usually is). It wouldn't make sense to elect a team captain who's on PUP, regardless of whether his recovery is on schedule.
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She's making a big deal out of Seymour not being elected team captain (as he usually is). It wouldn't make sense to elect a team captain who's on PUP, regardless of whether his recovery is on schedule.
I am pretty sure that Rodney is also not a captain right now. Unless the timetable for the suspension has been changed to "indefinite" I don't see how the non-captain thing is even an issue.
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