Branch...1 year now...you be the judge... - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

thomas144 · 09-04-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

In your scenario, there should be no signing bonuses.

The player gets the signing bonus.
The team gets the right to cut the player at any time.

And the player has the right not to play. The team can sue to get the signing bonus back. Why do people get so bent out of shape about this?

Pats726 · 09-04-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by upstater1

I think you're right about people not reading the article.

Deion had every right and motivation to go for AS MUCH MONEY as possible, not matter the team that paid him.

Look, he has insurance for his family now. That's well and good. But he's a busted knee away from having no insurance at all for them. No one is going to pick up the tab for this kid's pre-existing condition. That's on Deion. And in a country with our health care uninsured mess, where million dollar retirements are depleted overnight from medical expenses, you can't blame him.

How much do you think a solid 24 hour a day home care environment costs in this day and age. If it's only about changing diapers, we're talking $50k. If it's specialists and doctors providing care, we're talking quadruple that.

So he bought a big house. Those are the perks of signing a big contract, being a talented player, etc. A house is also an investment. He can sell that house too.

I would have done the same exact thing. My child comes first, and everyone else can go to hell.

What an attitude....Me me me me me...MEION....
poor excuse for being a scumbag...REALLy...so he was going to sit out 10 games?? THAT really would have helped his family...sorry...given all that people have said about him...and how he could have stayed here..had he been reasonable..I lost all resoect for him....from his lack of negotiations to his lying....

Maroney TD · 09-04-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pats726

What an attitude....Me me me me me...MEION....
poor excuse for being a scumbag...REALLy...so he was going to sit out 10 games?? THAT really would have helped his family...sorry...given all that people have said about him...and how he could have stayed here..had he been reasonable..I lost all resoect for him....from his lack of negotiations to his lying....

It would have helped his family because what he sacrificed in the short term would easily be made up in the long term. It looks like he got the exact outcome he was looking for but yet you think it was foolish. If he didn't hold out then he would have made a lot less money last year and nothing would have been guarenteed to him.

***HEY BRO! WHAT UP?*** · 09-04-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by brdmaverick

Look it sucks when one of our favorite players leaves for another team just because of money, but let's not forget the double standard that is going on in football.

When a player underperforms his contract, the team does not honor the contract and cuts the player. When a player outperforms his contract, why is he villified for 'cutting' the team?

excellent point.

***psychoPat*** · 09-04-2007, 11:28 AM

This is all so much
last year's story!

Let's play ball !

Pats726 · 09-04-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Maroney TD

It would have helped his family because what he sacrificed in the short term would easily be made up in the long term. It looks like he got the exact outcome he was looking for but yet you think it was foolish. If he didn't hold out then he would have made a lot less money last year and nothing would have been guarenteed to him.

As far as many fans are concerned he's a POS...as his antics showed what he's all about..the end justifies the means....Hmmmm Have heard that before.. he seemed to have some regrets about not playing for NE..sort of wondered what happened..kind of wanted his cake and eat it too....but he burned that bridge a LONG time ago by not negotiating and putting himself on a limb. When I heard him interviewed he seemed in denial of the facts..the fact that he did EVERYTHING to get out of town.

RayClay · 09-04-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Va_Pats_Fan

My personal opinion is that BOTH sides misjudged the other, and all of a sudden it was too late for either to back off. Unfortunate situation.

Do you think BB and Pioli dislike Deon? I bet they don't. It was business...

Branch walked on his contract even thou we offered him more than 6 million per for his next contract.

Thankfully, he saved us from our own lapse in judgment.

Thanks for saving us 37 million Deion.

Ty Warren's tied up and it's really not hard to find wide receivers if you try.

Probably the most over valued position in football.

***mgteich*** · 09-04-2007, 12:02 PM

The difference between Branch and Seymour is that the team and Seymour came to terms . Some would say we "caved". If we "caved" for Branch, he would be a great guy like Seymour. Or if Seymour said "no thanks" , then Seymour would be condiered a bum.

To me, the difference in these situations is the resulsts, not the method used by the player.

Maroney TD · 09-04-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

The difference between Branch and Seymour is that the team and Seymour came to terms . Some would say we "caved". If we "caved" for Branch, he would be a great guy like Seymour. Or if Seymour said "no thanks" , then Seymour would be condiered a bum.

To me, the difference in these situations is the resulsts, not the method used by the player.

Agreed completely, this is a business for most players and they are going to do everything in their power to get the most $$$ that they can while they have the earning power. NFL careers are notoriously short which is why I don't blame players for going after everything they can. Branch didn't grow up a Patriots fan, he has no loyalty to the club any more than the club has loyalty to a player that they cut. Sure the team is loyal to some players but thats until their cap number is higher than their productivity. Then its time to give up some $$$ to stay or pack your stuff.

Pats726 · 09-04-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

The difference between Branch and Seymour is that the team and Seymour came to terms . Some would say we "caved". If we "caved" for Branch, he would be a great guy like Seymour. Or if Seymour said "no thanks" , then Seymour would be condiered a bum.

To me, the difference in these situations is the resulsts, not the method used by the player.

But the results Sey being signed..Branch not..were partly not the variations in HOW they negotiated or not part of the reason the results were good in one case and NOT in another?? Do you think if Seymour had just failed to counter an offer and just sat teh results would have turned out the same? Do you think if Branch had been one bit reasonable he would still be here?? I agree bottom line..is results..but there's a lot of factors involved...Seymour being one of the best at his position..Branch being in the top 15 or so...etc.)