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Old 07-20-2007, 01:29 PM   #11
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Default Re: Was Vick the only Falcon who knew about these goings on?

FWIW (not much) One of the members on the Falcons board said he knew for a fact that is another Falcon that attends fights. He said that there is also a member of the Texans as well. On a couple of posts he said that he knows for a fact about these players. He did mention that it was not Scaub?
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:34 PM   #12
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FWIW (not much) One of the members on the Falcons board said he knew for a fact that is another Falcon that attends fights. He said that there is also a member of the Texans as well.
I would be surprised if there were less than 5 per team (and very likely more) on average that are involved in some way. It looks like a dirty little secret of the NFL is about to bust out big time - because like I said earlier, if Vick has the choice of jail or naming names; he's talking.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:41 PM   #13
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I would be surprised if there were less than 5 per team (and very likely more) on average that are involved in some way.
That's nearly 10% of the NFL population. That might be a little high. But I see what you're saying.
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That's nearly 10% of the NFL population. That might be a little high. But I see what you're saying.
Admittedly I just made up a number. But 5 per team doesn't seem too high considering :

- I guess this is relatively popular in the South - where LOTS of NFL players are from.
- This aggressive kind of "fun" would likely appeal to players of an aggressive, physical sport.
- Pro players in any major sport typically think they're insulated from anything.
- Large amount of free time "back home" in the offseason.
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Why are we bringing Milloy into this? He was only with the team for one year. Crumpler, Dunn, Brooking, Hall and Kerney, just to namea few, have been playing with Vick for much longer.

That aside, Vick does not strike me as the type of player who was buddy buddy with his mates. He's hardly a leader, and seems like the type who has his own personal entorage, more like a Pacman Jones or a Jarry Johnson than a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.
It's not just restricted to the FelCons...Marcelius Wiley was just on NFL Network claiming that it is quite common for a few players on the teams he was on to attend dog fights.

The NFL has been looking the other way on this. Before this is all said and done Blank, Goodell and Tagliabu are going to be testifying before Congress.
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I think there may a story coming that will dwarf the Vick dogfighting, or at least relegate it to second story. There is a NY Post exclusive claiming that an NBA referee has/had a gambling problem and got in deep with the mob
and continued betting on games he refereed.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07202007...rray_weiss.htm

>>The investigation, which began more than a year ago, is zeroing in on blockbuster allegations that the referee was making calls that affected the point spread to guarantee that he -- and the hoods who had their hooks in him -- cashed in on large bets. <<<<

If true, Vick ought to get down on his hands and knees and be thankful because THIS, not him will be the big story for many a news cycle....It doesn't get him off the hook but it slows down the momentum growing where the Vick story is taking on a life of its own....

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Why anybody would bet on games especially b-ball which is so easily influenced, is beyond me. I'm fine with the Vick hysteria diminishing as long as the Feds continue with their prosecution in a timely manner and as long as Goodell works quietly yet steadily to eradicate the dogfighting subculture from the game.
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I know this is a little OT...but the Falcon mgmt. would have looked like absolute geniuses if they had traded Vic instead of Scaub.

MV was a punk and a coach killer before the dog fighting thing ever came out.

They could could have gotten a king's randsom for him at the height of his value. Imagine a team trading for him and this whole thing blows up in their faces.

Similar to benching your franchise quarterback for some unknown despite the inevitable media crap storm you will get for making the courageous and correct decision....gotta love it.
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I think there may a story coming that will dwarf the Vick dogfighting, or at least relegate it to second story. There is a NY Post exclusive claiming that an NBA referee has/had a gambling problem and got in deep with the mob and continued betting on games he refereed.
It's not coming out, it's been out all day - his picture has been on the news and everything.

Bottom line, there's more options for people today and these guys, whether refs, players, whatever, better shape up or people will just find other things to do.
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Default Re: Was Vick the only Falcon who knew about these goings on?

The main reason I don't see the Vick case going away is that Vick is a starting quarterback. Even Ray Lewis didn't have that "going for him."

Besides, gambling debts don't have quite the same allure to media as do death and violence.
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