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Old 06-29-2007, 11:59 AM   #1
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many people have complained about the 2 drops that Caldwell had against the Colts and claim that those, by themselves, cost us the game. Well, I was doing some reasearch and found something very startling about one of our newest receivers. Donte' Stallworth. Over the last 4 years, Stallworth has the following stats:
2003 - 55 Targets - 25 receptions - 3 drops - 45.5% caught
2004 - 106 targets - 58 receptions - 5 drops - 54.7 % caught
2005 - 129 targets - 70 receptions - 11 drops - 54.3% caught
2006 - 78 targets - 38 receptions - 4 drops - 48.7% caught.

Totals - 368 targets - 191 receptions -23 drops - 51.9% caught

Now, I got these stats from StatsINC. Drops are defined as passes that the receiver should have caught when it hit the players hands. Stallworth have such a high number of drops isn't a good thing. One can only hope that he is working on that, otherwise we will see a steady diet of Moss, Welker and either Caldwell or Gaffney in critical situations.
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:07 PM   #2
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dropped passes can be: from diving and missing...from getting a hand on an overthrow and all that jazz

caldwell was WIDE OPEN. it was an easy pass and catch

regardless of what they call dropped passes..i've seen chad johnson on that list of most dropped passes and they arent just gimmes

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Stallworth'sTotals - 368 targets - 191 receptions -23 drops - 51.9% caught

Do you have some comparisons in mind when you say that 23 out of 368 is a lot?

Every few games, the guy drops one. Is that bad? I don't know.
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Caldwell had a solid year but he choked - of course it would have been nice if Brady had seen him earlier on the blown coverage. There's a reason the Colts dumped Vanderjagt, at the time, maybe still, the all time FG% leader. Unfortuanately, Caldwell Vanderjagted the AFCCG.
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dropped passes can be: from diving and missing...from getting a hand on an overthrow and all that jazz

caldwell was WIDE OPEN. it was an easy pass and catch
Actually, no, they aren't. According to Stats, they count dropped balls as being CATCHABLE Balls that the receiver should handle. NOT the extremes that you mentioned. That is why Caldwell is only listed as having 1 dropped ball during the regular season, yet I can remember him getting his hand on a couple of over-thrown ones and not coming up with them.
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Moss in 03

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172 targets, 9 drops but 64.5 caught
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So in 4 seasons, Stallworth dropped 23 balls that the statistician thought he should have caught. The conclusion is that we shouldn't play Stallworth in critical situations?????????
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So in 4 seasons, Stallworth dropped 23 balls that the statistician thought he should have caught. The conclusion is that we shouldn't play Stallworth in critical situations?????????
should have caught are balls he touched. like i said..diving..high balls. theres a thing for WRs..if the ball hits your hands..no matter what, you have to catch it
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Stallworth has been known throughout his career for having sub-par hands. It's something you have to live with knowing he can get open deep and take a short pass a long way.

Nobody on the team has worse hands than Ben Watson. How many did that guy drop?
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Caldwell had a solid year but he choked - of course it would have been nice if Brady had seen him earlier on the blown coverage. There's a reason the Colts dumped Vanderjagt, at the time, maybe still, the all time FG% leader. Unfortuanately, Caldwell Vanderjagted the AFCCG.
I look at that drop to be as much Tom's fault as Reche's. Reche was standing there acutally looking to get he ball "on the move",being lead. Tom did not see him. When he finally did see him, Reche had to catch the ball standing still because it was thrown slightly behind him.

Should the ball have been caught? Yes! But people are making too much of this. It is harder for a WR to catch a ball standing still than on the move, being lead. Just one of those plays that both Tom and Reche would like to have back.
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