If Joe Thomas used his legal handgun to protect his roomate he would = hero - Page 9 - New England Patriots Forums

***mgcolby*** · 05-02-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by danny88

What is wrong with that? HE HAS A LISCENSE TO CARRY A FIREARM. He saw a suspicious car lurking outside his home at 5am. He went outside to investigate and someone jumped out and SHOT HIS ROOMATE.

He did nothing illegal. Worry about your own colts players who beat their wives, carry ILLEGAL guns and get busted for drinking and driving. The Miami dade police concluded Meriweather did not do anything illegal!!!!! Get over it, you are grasping at straws.

You better believe if a car was parked outside of my home very late at night I would bring my handgun when investigating the situation. What would have happened if Meriweather did not have his LEGAL handgun? He may have been shot and killed. His roommate might not have made it. He brought his LEGAL handgun in case the situation got dangerous. Oh wait, it did the assailant jumped out and shot his roommate! Stop trying to make this into something it is not.

It was 6:30 in the morning. What reason did he have to feel threatened by a car parked in front of his house? Why would you walk outside with a loaded gun to "investigate" unless you were ready to fire at someone? If you were that scared or nervous why wouldn't you call the cops and stay inside where you defend yourself better agains an invader?

Can you answer those? Thought so.. I don't have a problem with a person who defends themselves nor do I have a problem with a person owning firearms or even carrying them. What I have a problem with is this perception that they didn't know something was up prior to the incident. Again as I stated earlier in this thread, I wouldn't walk outside with a loaded weapon to investigate a car parked in front of my house. Why you may ask? Because I have no reason to believe that someone wants to shoot me! I'm not making it into something its not, I am asking why he felt compelled to go outside.

So get off the racism bull**** and the if "Joe Thomas blah blah blah" because that in itself is racist and your grasping at straws!

***mgcolby*** · 05-02-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by danny88

Prove it.............

Wow, that is a genius statement! Prove that your perception of a fictious scenario is wrong.

***danny88*** · 05-02-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mgcolby

It was 6:30 in the morning. What reason did he have to feel threatened by a car parked in front of his house? Why would you walk outside with a loaded gun to "investigate" unless you were ready to fire at someone? If you were that scared or nervous why wouldn't you call the cops and stay inside where you defend yourself better agains an invader?

Can you answer those? Thought so.. I don't have a problem with a person who defends themselves nor do I have a problem with a person owning firearms or even carrying them. What I have a problem with is this perception that they didn't know something was up prior to the incident. Again as I stated earlier in this thread, I wouldn't walk outside with a loaded weapon to investigate a car parked in front of my house. Why you may ask? Because I have no reason to believe that someone wants to shoot me! I'm not making it into something its not, I am asking why he felt compelled to go outside.

So get off the racism bull**** and the if "Joe Thomas blah blah blah" because that in itself is racist and your grasping at straws!

Once again... You are speculating. Maybe there was reason for Meriweather to feel the need to bring his firearm. Maybe the fact he lives in a city where a fellow teammate was EXECUTED for no reason earlier that year had something to do with it. Remember the Miami player who was shot in the back of the head for no reason last year? That what I thought... You would not bring your legal hand gun to investigate a suspicious situation because you do not live in a bad area like most the Miami players do. I bet you live in some suburb where the most dangerous thing is getting sprayed by a skunk. Who cares what yo uwould do? What you would do is not that law. The guy brought his legal firearm in case there was a bad situation, and there was. There is not a single thing illegal or wrong with that act. You make it seem like he was running outside and shooting for fun. The Miami dade police investigated the whole situation and found not a single thing wrong with Meriweathers actions. People own legal handguns in bad areas, it is nothing new. people own them in nice areas. It is called your Constitutional right. They called it a clear cut case of self defense, and the hand gun is perfectly legal. End of story.

The facts are if this was Joe Thomas in the middle of the boondocks with his legal hand gun everyone would be quick to point out the police made it clear Thomas did nothing illegal and was defending himself. Not call him a thug and leave out all the facts to push a agenda. I asked the question, and it is a valid one.

***mgcolby*** · 05-02-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by danny88

Once again... You are speculating. Maybe there was reason for Meriweather to feel the need to bring his firearm. Maybe the fact he lives in a city where a fellow teammate was EXECUTED for no reason earlier that year had something to do with it. Remember the Miami player who was shot in the back of the head for no reason last year? That what I thought... You would not bring your legal hand gun to investigate a suspicious situation because you do not live in a bad area like most the Miami players do. I bet you live in some suburb where the most dangerous thing is getting sprayed by a skunk. Who cares what yo uwould do? What you would do is not that law. The guy brought his legal firearm in case there was a bad situation, and there was. There is not a single thing illegal or wrong with that act. You make it seem like he was running outside and shooting for fun. The Miami dade police investigated the whole situation and found not a single thing wrong with Meriweathers actions. People own legal handguns in bad areas, it is nothing new. people own them in nice areas. It is called your Constitutional right. They called it a clear cut case of self defense, and the hand gun is perfectly legal. End of story.

The facts are if this was Joe Thomas in the middle of the boondocks with his legal hand gun everyone would be quick to point out the police made it clear Thomas did nothing illegal and was defending himself. Not call him a thug and leave out all the facts to push a agenda. I asked the question, and it is a valid one.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I simply asked questions! The only area I flirted with speculation was with this statement "What I have a problem with is this perception that they didn't know something was up prior to the incident". Because his actions lead me and I would suspect many others to believe that he had a reason to suspect someone was there to do him harm. And again in that situation it is idiotic to walk outside without knowing who or how many are out there. It makes more sense to call the cops and stay inside with your perfectly legal hand gun and have the element of surprise on your side!

But your right it doesn't matter what I would have done. Because you would go outside with a loaded hand gun to investigate a car parked in front of your house because that is the smartest thing to do in that situation. Good point, its noted. I didn't make it seem like he was running out there shooting. Please repost where I implied that? You can't! Again read what I wrote!

And no those aren't facts. Those are your assumptions of what would be facts had your fantasy scenario come true. The only fact here is you are basing this entire premis off of your opinion and nothing else.

And while we are talking facts here is a fact for you! The Merriweather shooting took place in July of 2006, the Pata death took place in November of 2006.

Those tricky little facts! I think this means we can toss out the "people are out to shoot UM players" argument that you brought to the table.

Maroney TD · 05-02-2007, 03:01 PM

I would think that his teammates murder in the same year, even after the fact, just goes to show you what a dangerous area they were all living in. Just because it happened afterwards doesn't change the fact that it could have just as easily been Meriweather who was murdered. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that never leave their homes without their gun in bad areas. Given the events of that day and what happened to his teammate, I wouldn't blame him for always carrying a gun either.

If you want to criticize him then talk about the brawl and not the shooting. It was a legal gun and its his constitutional right to carry said gun. End of story. Your sounding foolish by keeping this going.

***mgcolby*** · 05-02-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Maroney TD

I would think that his teammates murder in the same year, even after the fact, just goes to show you what a dangerous area they were all living in. Just because it happened afterwards doesn't change the fact that it could have just as easily been Meriweather who was murdered. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people that never leave their homes without their gun in bad areas. Given the events of that day and what happened to his teammate, I wouldn't blame him for always carrying a gun either.

If you want to criticize him then talk about the brawl and not the shooting. It was a legal gun and its his constitutional right to carry said gun. End of story. Your sounding foolish by keeping this going.

Thanks for your insight. I'm not criticizing Merriweather I was pointing out common sense questions, in reality one question - why go outside? My enitire reason for posting in this thread was to criticize the basis of this thread. In the process I threw out a possible reason for why people questioned his character. I have stated that I don't have a problem with a person defending himself/herself. Again people need to read what was written. The only one sounding foolish in this thread is Danny88.

I endorse the pick, I think he will be a great player and I think he truly has learned from his mistakes. He got rid of his gun and apologized for the brawl incident. That is part of the maturity process. To be honest the brawl incident doesn't bother me a whole lot, it was the heat of the moment in a violent sport. If I am criticizing anything it is his decision making process and as stated above he appears to have learned from his mistakes.

Gopats!!! · 05-02-2007, 03:19 PM

I totally 100% agree with the OP.

Amen!!!!

The on field incident was bad, but the self defense incident is a plus in my book!!! I want more of that type of person(minus onfield incident) on the team!!!