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Synovia · 09-05-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

. DL (Seymour), LB (Bruschi), DB (Harrison). Someone who is willing to take accountability when the entire group has a bad game.

Richard Seymour was a great DE, but you're confusing talent with leadership (something the fans and mediots do a lot). There's a reason Wilfork was a captain as a second year player.

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-05-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by swheeler23

I am 100% certain marriage or fatherhood had no bad affect on Brady ,he was coming back from a major injury that included a infecction. The best Brady can do for the defense is score 30 points a game. He will need a running game to do that.A 10-6 record will be a good season for this team.

Actually 10-6 would be a good season for many teams, but about as bad as it gets for a Brady/Belichick team.
This offense is good enough, btw, to win 10 games with any teams defense, with Brady back at 100%, so we would have to be worse than the worse defense in the NFL for 10-6 to be good.

swheeler23 · 09-05-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what position this team is worse at than last years team, where everyone thinks they're going to suck.

While there still are a ton of questions, it looks like a better team across the board (excepting LG)

The schedule is harder.

RayClay · 09-05-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Richard Seymour was a great DE, but you're confusing talent with leadership (something the fans and mediots do a lot). There's a reason Wilfork was a captain as a second year player.

And he's as good a quarterback as Brady too. At least that's what he says.

Fencer · 09-05-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

I have never understood why people feel the need to attach 'leader' to good veteran players. Leaders come in every size, shape and form. Talent doesn't really have anything to do with leadership, other than you have to be talented enough to have a role on the team. Romanticizing that every good player we ever had was a leader is just incorrect, just as thinking years of service and level of ability are the requirements to being a leader. Leaders are leaders, regardless of age. Any all veteran good players are not naturally leaders. Many of the previous Pats being called leaders here, were followers, and that is not a bad thing.

Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, and McGinest were all well-documented as being actual leaders on an ongoing basis, and those were my examples.

I'm not including every guy who ever assumed leadership for a moment, e.g. Bobby Hamilton's one famous great one-time act of team leadership -- that level of leadership CAN be and hopefully already has been replaced by guys like Meriweather.

Fencer · 09-05-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

Exactly. Brady can only do what a QB can do which is put up big numbers. It's up to the other 52 players to take a leadership role in their position. Wilfork is one of them, but he was on the team last year too and the defense still didn't perform at crucial times. You really need a leader at every position like we've had in years past. DL (Seymour), LB (Bruschi), DB (Harrison). Someone who is willing to take accountability when the entire group has a bad game.

I disagree.

I don't think the CBs have had much in the way of leadership for most of the Patriots' run -- O-T-I-S had the personality, but wasn't an effective player for that long. But they had an abundance of leaders at LB, which sufficed.