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It is kinda funny how the Pats get pegged as this heartless organization when Polian has made moves against two different players which are some of the heartless things I have seen in sports.
First, they put Simon on the non-football injury reserve list for degenerative injuries that were obviously caused by wear and tear from football. Because of this, Simon didn't get his full salary for the season. Now Polian is trashing Simon publically in the press and he is still under contract with the Colts.
The second is Monty Reagor. The guy is injured in a car crash on the way to the stadium and the Colts cut him in the offseason. He can obviously play because the Eagles picked him up and gave him a three year deal.
Yet, it is the Patriots who are considered heartless for cutting Willie McGinest because he carried an over $8 million cap hit or not giving into Deion Branch's over inflated salary demands. I don't get it.
It seems that most of the media are either in awe or scared of Bill Polian. Rarely do you see anything negative written about him at the national level (other than ProFootballTalk.com) eventhough his tantrums and tirades are well known (again thanks to ProFootballTalk.com). Even when he assaulted a Jets staff memeber, it really didn't get a lot of play on ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.
I fail to see the big deal in what Polian said. He was just pointing out that not all FA signings work out. He didn't personally degrade the man. I'm sure Corey Simon himself would agree that he hasn't been as productive as he would have hoped. And there's nothing obvious about his condition. There's been a host of rumors but nothing official, at least not that I know of.
As for Reagor, the Colt's didn't cut him until he was healthy, judging from the fact that the Eagles signed him almost immediately. It was a cap-related move, nothing more. No different than any other cut, IMO.
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If only the sanctimonious and holier than thou Dunchy paid just a TAD more attention to his SON'S needs and less pontificating about other teams, perhaps the poor child would still be alive today.
trust me. I know a LOT about parenting, and i would definitely, definitely, say that Tony Dungy is a horrible father.
Classy........
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I fail to see the big deal in what Polian said. He was just pointing out that not all FA signings work out. He didn't personally degrade the man. I'm sure Corey Simon himself would agree that he hasn't been as productive as he would have hoped. And there's nothing obvious about his condition. There's been a host of rumors but nothing official, at least not that I know of.
As for Reagor, the Colt's didn't cut him until he was healthy, judging from the fact that the Eagles signed him almost immediately. It was a cap-related move, nothing more. No different than any other cut, IMO.
He put them both on NFI and cut off their 2006 salary. Even though that did not alter their cap hit, just saved Irsay that money. Reagor was on his way to work, just like Ben, and his only transgretion was not wearing his seatbelt.
Ted Johnson lost his nerve prior to the 2005 season. Most of us understand and accept the obvious - like many players in this league he has suffered multiple concussions over the course of his career. But he was cleared to play repeatedly by team doctors and would be hard pressed to make the case that he couldn't play, so he retired. Under a tight cap we let him keep the $1.8M balance of his signing bonus. Just like we paid Robert Edwards his full contract and absorbed the cap hits remaining on his first round rookie deal after an injury suffered in his first off season in a scenario we bore no responsibility for effectively ended his NFL career. Just like we carried Tedy on the cap when many said he would never play again following his 2005 stroke which was determined to be due to a non football related pre existing heart defect.
When something doesn't go right in NaPolian's little kingdom it is always someone elses fault. Either the league isn't enforcing the rules strictly enough or his defense is worthless, or his Oline is pathetic, or his players are stiffing him - and somebody other than the GM is gonna bear the brunt of the consequences. What a guy.
Yet the Patriots are characterized as cheap or dismissive of the role that talent plays in their system. Yeah, right.
Ted Johnson lost his nerve prior to the 2005 season. Most of us understand and accept the obvious - like many players in this league he has suffered multiple concussions over the course of his career. But he was cleared to play repeatedly by team doctors and would be hard pressed to make the case that he couldn't play, so he retired. Under a tight cap we let him keep the $1.8M balance of his signing bonus.
I'm pretty sure you have to pay the signing bonus. That's why players want them, it's money they get regardless.
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He put them both on NFI and cut off their 2006 salary. Even though that did not alter their cap hit, just saved Irsay that money. Reagor was on his way to work, just like Ben, and his only transgretion was not wearing his seatbelt.
Are you sure it didn't affect their cap hits? Isn't that how they made room to go trade for Booger?
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He put them both on NFI and cut off their 2006 salary. Even though that did not alter their cap hit, just saved Irsay that money. Reagor was on his way to work, just like Ben, and his only transgretion was not wearing his seatbelt.
First of all, he didn't cut off Reagor's salary like he did Simon's. And Reagor was cut in the offseason, just as any other player could have been.
As for Simon, noone has any idea really what the situation is with him. The Philly Inquirer reported last year that he didn't want to play football anymore.
I'm pretty sure you have to pay the signing bonus. That's why players want them, it's money they get regardless.
Not if they retire, which is why Polian and Colts fans would love to see Corey Simon retire. That's really the only way they can recoup the $13M in bonus money that has already been paid to Simon - short of winning a protracted grievance battle which the NFLPA will fight tooth and nail.
When a player retires before completing his contractual obligations the team is entitled to a refund of a pro rated portion of his bonus money at their discretion.
Are you sure it didn't affect their cap hits? Isn't that how they made room to go trade for Booger?
I believe the only relief they got was salary, which in both cases was minimal (maybe a million or so combined). Corey had already pocketed a $10M option bonus and $3M signing bonus, and the pro rated share of those hits the books regardless of what list he is placed on. Money that hasn't been paid, like the salary they were denied, does not.
First of all, he didn't cut off Reagor's salary like he did Simon's. And Reagor was cut in the offseason, just as any other player could have been.
As for Simon, noone has any idea really what the situation is with him. The Philly Inquirer reported last year that he didn't want to play football anymore.
There is no reason to place a player on NFI other than to dock his salary. Otherwise Reagor could have been placed on IR and collected his remaining $300K or so while his shattered face healed. And while you theoretically can place a player on NFI while still choosing to pay his salary, you would not want to set that precedent when you have another player on that list whom you are not paying and who has an injury he could potentially make a better case for being football related and who has filed a grievance against you as a result.
BTW everyone knew the situation regarding Philly's read on Corey Simon back in 2005. They quietly made their concerns known (as they tend to do) while he refused to sign his tag or report. They likely also determined he had little or no trade value as a result. Yet when they cut him the only guy with some cap left and a need for a run stuffer made like he'd pulled off the coup of the century in landing a quality big name FA like Simon while his peers were asleep at their respective wheels. Only now that it's blown up in his face, even though he was careful to engineer an option bonus in year 2 (albeit too early in the year...) it's somebody else's fault - in this case the player who apparently developed polyartheritis while rehabbing following surgery required as a result of a TC injury.
If the Colts lose the greivance they will likely cut him at a dead cap cost of around $8M spread over 2007-2008. Although there is always the possibility that NaPolian will threaten a Federal lawsuit as he did prior to the new CBA being ratified to try to browbeat the league into somehow changing the rules to negate his mistake. 'Cause that's the kind of NFL team player your GM is.
There is no reason to place a player on NFI other than to dock his salary. Otherwise Reagor could have been placed on IR and collected his remaining $300K or so while his shattered face healed. And while you theoretically can place a player on NFI while still choosing to pay his salary, you would not want to set that precedent when you have another player on that list whom you are not paying and who has an injury he could potentially make a better case for being football related and who has filed a grievance against you as a result.
BTW everyone knew the situation regarding Philly's read on Corey Simon back in 2005. They quietly made their concerns known (as they tend to do) while he refused to sign his tag or report. They likely also determined he had little or no trade value as a result. Yet when they cut him the only guy with some cap left and a need for a run stuffer made like he'd pulled off the coup of the century in landing a quality big name FA like Simon while his peers were asleep at their respective wheels. Only now that it's blown up in his face, even though he was careful to engineer an option bonus in year 2 (albeit too early in the year...) it's somebody else's fault - in this case the player who apparently developed polyartheritis while rehabbing following surgery required as a result of a TC injury.
If the Colts lose the greivance they will likely cut him at a dead cap cost of around $8M spread over 2007-2008. Although there is always the possibility that NaPolian will threaten a Federal lawsuit as he did prior to the new CBA being ratified to try to browbeat the league into somehow changing the rules to negate his mistake. 'Cause that's the kind of NFL team player your GM is.
Oh good grief. Why don't you just admit that you can't stand Polian and move on? Cause this is pure hogwash. Please......
BTW, do you still post on Indystar?
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PonyExpress, Keegs and Joker on Tony Dungy,
If only the sanctimonious and holier than thou Dunchy paid just a TAD more attention to his SON'S needs and less pontificating about other teams, perhaps the poor child would still be alive today.
As I've pointed out before, Polian is very very lucky that the Cap went through the roof, otherwise keep the players he has kept would not be possible.
His words of caution on free agent busts are well heeded no doubt - but the draft is not a panacea and drafted players often require quite a few years.
For various reasons, many teams often develop immediate needs - and Polian has left his team very very vulnerable should an immediate need develop.
I wasn't exactly expecting him to say that the team is screwed because it doesn't have enough cap space to be as active as the Pats - but it also can't be ignored that the Pats build through the draft AND through free agency, thanks to their approach.
If I have to pick between the Colts approach of relying primiarlly on the draft, and the Patriots approach of relying on the draft, free agency, and even trades thanks to their stockpile of draft picks - I'll go with the Patriots every single time.
But credit where credit is due - he built a team that won the SB and obviously remains a contender even as key players are leaving.
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Re: Reiss on Colts/Polian
I fail to see the big deal in what Polian said. He was just pointing out that not all FA signings work out. He didn't personally degrade the man. I'm sure Corey Simon himself would agree that he hasn't been as productive as he would have hoped. And there's nothing obvious about his condition. There's been a host of rumors but nothing official, at least not that I know of.
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