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Old 03-04-2007, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default Several good reasons why we can use a speed burning #1 WR

O.K. So we won Super Bowls without a superstar speed burning WR but I think it would turn this team into a serious Super Bowl contender next season (if we aren't already) with a WR that can outright fly and for several reasons including....

Would stop good defenses from stuffing the box respecting the WR who could run away from man on man coverage,thus immediately would make DC think about less blitzing and more spread out D formations.

With defenses staying back and with less blitzes from safeties you would see less of Brady getting blindside blitzes from corners and safeties which caused a fumble and turnover on the very first regular season play last year and happened several times after that,although proper blocking by OL with help from the RB TE would help too,It may also save Brady from serious injury as well.

With any team that has a burner #1 WR you also usually have a great running game,Maroney and Morris would have excellent numbers by having the DBs stay back in the secondary worrying about getting caught with an open WR that was mistakenly left alone because a safety was helping out a corner in double teaming the quick #1 WR.

Last year when it was 3rd and short it was almost automatic we were going to run the ball,with a quick WR in action we will make them think more,thus more headaches for the DCs in the league,Gaffney and Caldwell were NOT respected as a breakaway threat by any DB or LB in the league,thats for sure and caused our running game to suffer a bit with defensive secondaries playing so close up it looked sometimes like the opposing safeties and corners were set up on the LOS before the snap,especially later in the season as Maroney struggled to find any room to run and Dillon looked as slow as a 50 year old man hitting the hole.

To close my argument is the simple fact that a #1 WR helps out the WHOLE offense,not just the WR position,OL-QB-RB all improve stats and performance when you got a dangerous weapon on your team that can run away and score at anytime which was never a thing in 2006 despite the excellent season that fell short of a championship and a speedy WR would have been the difference for winning #4 last year-without a single doubt,IMO.

Despite the success in the past without a regular dangerous WR like a Jerry Rice or even a Reggie Wayne type player,I think this year we should make an attempt to grab a runaway breaking WR (Moss,Stallworth ect) - and If we do expect even a greater season to come than last years team,Drafting a rookie is possible to help with that but there is rarely a Colston out there unless you get lucky so FA is our best hope for help with this.
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Maybe the Steelers should pick him up...Last time they had a WR guy named 'Stallworth' he played pretty well for them
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O.K. So we won Super Bowls without a superstar speed burning WR but I think it would turn this team into a serious Super Bowl contender next season (if we aren't already) with a WR that can outright fly and for several reasons including....

Would stop good defenses from stuffing the box respecting the WR who could run away from man on man coverage,thus immediately would make DC think about less blitzing and more spread out D formations.

With defenses staying back and with less blitzes from safeties you would see less of Brady getting blindside blitzes from corners and safeties which caused a fumble and turnover on the very first regular season play last year and happened several times after that,although proper blocking by OL with help from the RB TE would help too,It may also save Brady from serious injury as well.

With any team that has a burner #1 WR you also usually have a great running game,Maroney and Morris would have excellent numbers by having the DBs stay back in the secondary worrying about getting caught with an open WR that was mistakenly left alone because a safety was helping out a corner in double teaming the quick #1 WR.

Last year when it was 3rd and short it was almost automatic we were going to run the ball,with a quick WR in action we will make them think more,thus more headaches for the DCs in the league,Gaffney and Caldwell were NOT respected as a breakaway threat by any DB or LB in the league,thats for sure and caused our running game to suffer a bit with defensive secondaries playing so close up it looked sometimes like the opposing safeties and corners were set up on the LOS before the snap,especially later in the season as Maroney struggled to find any room to run and Dillon looked as slow as a 50 year old man hitting the hole.

To close my argument is the simple fact that a #1 WR helps out the WHOLE offense,not just the WR position,OL-QB-RB all improve stats and performance when you got a dangerous weapon on your team that can run away and score at anytime which was never a thing in 2006 despite the excellent season that fell short of a championship and a speedy WR would have been the difference for winning #4 last year-without a single doubt,IMO.

Despite the success in the past without a regular dangerous WR like a Jerry Rice or even a Reggie Wayne type player,I think this year we should make an attempt to grab a runaway breaking WR (Moss,Stallworth ect) - and If we do expect even a greater season to come than last years team,Drafting a rookie is possible to help with that but there is rarely a Colston out there unless you get lucky so FA is our best hope for help with this.
Agree. The Colts passing game opened the running game for them as well. Addai had a good regular season and playoffs. Go Pats
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1. Of course we COULD use a fast receiver. Otherwise BB would be an idiot for drafting Johnson, Jackson, and Sam.

2. We're already Super Bowl contenders. Indeed, we should be and evidently are regarded as the early favorites, given how the various teams ranked last year, how they entered the offseason in terms of cap room, picks, etc., and how the very early FA process has gone.

The Patriots look to be net GAINERS of talent in FA this offseason, which gives them a nice advantage over the other AFC division winners.

The Pats also have a bit more in the way of injury-return than other teams do, and relatively little in the way of aging issues.

Of course, this assumes Samuel actually stays..
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2 word bethal johnson....he is a burner and all we need is a dude to run deep get him back for a veteran minium.

I never understood the love for the colts... lets trade our defence for their + reggiwayne + clark......polian will be allover this trade..
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Explain to me how a speed burner magically causes teams not to 'stack the box' or keep a safety deep?

I think a defense plays our offensive formations way more than putting a Bethel Johnson type guy on the wing.

The reason we keep getting teams stacking the box against us is due to our crappy 2-TE formation, as well as too many formations where we line the receivers up right next to the offensive line. That, and the fact that our OC doesn't know what to do against a stacked box.
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This type of thread sounds like it makes sense to a fan, but probably not as much to the Patriots Brass. Terms like "speed burner", "stretch the field" and "shut down corner" sounds like terms used in fantasy football not the NFL. While the long pass looks pretty, this team is about "Moving the Chains", it makes no difference if you do it in 10, 25, 50 or 80 yard chunks just keep moving them and controlling the game.

I like the way Indianapolis does things, and think they have a great offense, and know how to use their players. Indianapolis entered the FA part of the season with virtually no money to spend, while we had a bunch and seemed to have shopped well. Right now on paper we have probably surpassed them, but the equalizer will now be the great coaching of this team and using all of the current and new offensive weapons. I for one do not agree with your premise, we have Watson and Jackson(if healthy) who can meet this need and will serve us well.
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IMO, WR is by far the biggest weakness on the team.

I'm not going to debate it. You either get it or you don't. We can simply stack the defense and go back to trying to pull out 3-point games or continue evolving into a more dynamic/productive unit on the other side of the ball.

IMO, we're only one player away from becoming a truly dominant team...as great as Adalius is, and as big a part of the future of this team, he's not the guy who can take us to the level of dominance we're so close to achieving.

Folks, forget about Bethel Johnson. Nobody took him seriously because he didn't know what the hell he was doing out there, not because "speed only matters to fans and not GMs"...nonsense.

Nobody's asking for a track star....what we need is a guy who defenses have to double team deep downfield.

Watson and Jackson have potential...but potential doesn't win championships...and last year is all the evidence anyone should need.

This is the 21st century NFL...nobody here is arguing that moving the chains isn't the best strategy to win games....believe it or not, a serious, reliable, tall/fast, deep threat to compliment our quick guys would make it easier to MOVE THE CHAINS.

The best line in this thread was that a legitimate deep threat makes the entire offense better. Just because we've historically gotten by without one doesn't change the fundamentals.

I read the someone comparing Caldwell's stats to Branch's two years ago and trying to argue that they were similar guys...wrong. Branch commanded much more attention from DC's and therefore helped open up the rest of the offense. He's not as good without TB, obviously...nobody is. But together they had true synergy.

If we'd completely lost our running game last year (like '05) Caldwell wouldn't have come close to replicating the success that Branch had in '05.

You have to like Welker. The deal isn't confirmed so, until I'm reserving judgement, but it sounds like he's getting what Branch was looking for last September....if true, that's a little sad.

Again, I completely support the Welker signing...he fills a specific need in the WR corps. As much as he resembles Troy, he's also a bit like a tougher version of Branch, who given time, could develop a similar rapport with TB.

I'd just like to get a gazelle too...a Moss-type.

It's wishful thinking until we decide to make it a reality...
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