Digger44

How was it a coup? He was a 7th rounder who basically didn't even play college ball. What am I missing for a coup? Was drafting Tom in the 6th a coup?

FreeTedWilliams

If Cassel had won the competition between Lienart and himself, do you have much doubt that he would have been a first round pick. Surrounded by Reggie Bush, a skinny Mike Williams, et al he would have most likely put up similar numbers to Lienart. This guy sat behind Carson palmer, Lienart, and now Brady. I have no doubt that he could led this team if he had to. He has all the skills that you look for in a NFL QB. Yet how many teams do you think even had him on their draft boards?

Here are the QBs taken before Cassel:

Alex Smith (1)
Aaron Rodgers (24)
Jason Campbell (25)
Charlie Frye (67)
Andrew Walter (69)
David Greene (85)
Klye Orten (106)
Dan Orlovsky (145)
Adrain McPherson (152)- not in the NFL anymore
James Kilian (229)- not in the NFL anymore

Matt Cassel (230)

Alex Smith is a better QB at this point, mostly due to playing time. Campbell is going to be a qualitly NFL QB. Both were first rounders. Rodgers looked horrible even before he broke his foot, Walter played pretty well (considering he was surrounded by Raiders), Orten can't beat out Rex Grossman (nough said), the rest have never seen the field. So I would say that drafting a quality back-up QB with the 230 pick in the draft, was a coup for the Pats.

Brady at 199 is a once in a lifetime pick, you can't judge other picks by that one. If you assume that Brady is a HOFer, when he gets there, only four other HOFers were drafted after the 199th selection and all of those players were from the 1950s. Warren Moon is the only undrafted player in the HOF, and that had absolutely nothing to do with his ability to play football.


http://www.profootballhof.com/histor...raft/round.jsp

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patchick

I third that motion. Cassel may have scant gameday experience, but you shouldn't discount the value of years spent with the Patriots' playbook and practicing with Brady. Cassel offers the smoothest transition if he has to step in suddenly for a quarter or a start. The #2 slot seems set; after that, it's time to take another flier on a day-two rookie. Jeff Rowe and Matt Gutierrez are interesting developmental prospects, and Jared Zabransky is an impressive athlete with cross-position potential.

Digger44

I guess I am still missing the coup. Are you saying that BB drafted Cassel as a coup to get rid of Brady???

As far as all of Cassel's experience, I still do not buy 1+2+3+4=455.55. There is no way to know if Cassel can lead a team until he is in the drivers seat. I am glad you have so much confidence in him, but there is just no way to know.

MoLewisrocks

coup (kū)
n., pl. coups (kūz).

A brilliantly executed stratagem; a triumph.

A coup d'état.
A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover: a boardroom coup.

Among certain Native American peoples, a feat of bravery performed in battle, especially the touching of an enemy's body without causing injury.

Securing a HOF Franchise QB at the end of the 6th round is indeed a coup.

So is securing his inexpensive backup for the next 3-4 years in the 7th round, particularly if he can be exchanged for almost anything more than the 7th round pick he cost in year 4.

Lighten up, Digger. It's unsettling enough when you jump on people who possibly deserve it.

PatsWickedPissah

I think that to move Cassel for a mid-round pick would require him making another successful regular season appearance. I do agree that BB would think of moving him for the reasons you cite. A leading indicator would be if we see Matt for several series late in 1 or 2 games.

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Digger44

I honestly wasnt jumping on FTW. He is a great poster. I couldnt understand what he was talking about. "Coup" is used all the time without the "detat" to represent an uprising. Your definition makes much more sense. TY Mo.

People who possibly deserve it? That dude totally deserved it (not FTW, but different thread).

stcjones

gawd no...did you watch him this past year? Any skills he had (which were pretty slim) are eroding.......I think I would just keep Vinny......B-rad somehow reminds me of Eason...not sure why.....one man's opinion

JoeSixPat

I guess Joey Harrington is out as a potential veteran backup for the Pats?

I thought he had some pretty good potential last year before the Dolphins signed him but if he can't stick with the Fins I guess that speaks for itself.

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SamBamsFan

A coup d'etat is literally, from the French, a blow to the head. Mostly it is used to represent a successful uprising; one that would overthrow a current government. A coup, on the other hand, would be drafting Tom Brady in the 6th rd.

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